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  • A New Step in F5J


    PeteMitchell

    Most will know of the new development in glider construction which was pioneered by DLG model makers. The difference from what we are used to with moulded construction is that the new method uses one precision cut solid foam core rather than the several layers of thin foam used in the construction of hollow moulded wings. The solid core is covered with the, also new ultra-light carbon fabric, in a mould. There are a number of other differences in the construction but I don’t have all that info.

    This new construction enables wings to be built with a much thinner section, and much lighter in weight.

    I must say that when I first read of these developments I had my doubts. How could the weights be achieved, how could they be strong enough for our conditions, how could they be of any use in ‘our’ conditions.

    I always have to try something new, so when Hyperflight imported a few, I took a chance and bought one of the new Ultima F5J models.

    All I can say is that the hype about these gliders is true. They are fantastically light and very strong. There is nothing ‘flimsy’ about any part. With some light weight models I have seen, the fuselage is very flexible because of the light cloth and minimal amount of epoxy used. I have a standard Ultima fuselage and it is very rigid made of carbon. The wall thickness is substantial and there is nothing flimsy about it, and it also is very light.

    There are a number of build threads on the web so I won’t try to compete with those. Only to say that it requires a few different techniques which are more usual to hand launch models. I did take a few pics as I put it together as below

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    Flap Servo

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    Servo Mount and Ballast Tube

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    Cutting nose to length after balancing the model.

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    Servos and ballast tube.

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    Traditional pic before first flight.

    I have only had 6 flights with it so far, including 4 flights at the Tonbridge F5J comp where the conditions really did not suit it. But I am very pleased with what I have seen so far.

    Any questions please ask away.
     


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    Very nice Pete!  The Shinto has the Carboline cloth and it is impressive, very light and strong with a great finish. In the Shinto it is of course a hollow moulding. 

     

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    What's the weight on that?

    Foam core seems to be the future.  I know it's a thin section. but it struck as being rather too light for most conditions.

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    My model weighs 1110g ready to fly. For a 4mtr plane this is pretty light.

    It is only just above the FAI permitted minimum wing loadingB|.

    I also thought it would be too light for most conditions.But even though I had balanced it nose heavy for the first flights, and it is no way trimmed properly yet, it easily coped 

    with 10mph wind. At the Tonbridge comp the wind was very light at first but gradually increased during the day. It probably got to about 15mph with gusting well over that.

    I tried using ballast for the first time, started with 100g which did not help much, but when I got to 300g of ballast the model coped really well.

    But the gusts stopped the model moving, I think mostly because I had it nose heavy and it was trimmed with a bit of unwanted up elevator. Once I gave the model a dab of down it accelerated easily.

    I have now moved the balance back by 10mm to where other pilots say it is best and am waiting to try it again. I was hoping to fly it at the Ashurst event this weekend but unfortunately I have had to withdraw from this at the last minute.

     

     

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    Hi Pete,

    lovely plane!  I've read what you said above about the robustness of the plane.  I'd be grateful if you'd say a little more, specifically how susceptible is it to hangar rash in comparison to a (mythical) typical F3X plane?  Also. how do you reckon it would cope with the inevitable 'a gust of wind blew the plane over as it landed' incident?

    I guess the bottom line is, for someone who doesn't expect to win comps but enjoys them nonetheless, is this an option you'd recommend or would you suggest something a little heavier and more robust?

    Cheers,

    Ken

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    6 hours ago, kayaken said:

    Hi Pete,

    lovely plane!  I've read what you said above about the robustness of the plane.  I'd be grateful if you'd say a little more, specifically how susceptible is it to hangar rash in comparison to a (mythical) typical F3X plane?  Also. how do you reckon it would cope with the inevitable 'a gust of wind blew the plane over as it landed' incident?

    I guess the bottom line is, for someone who doesn't expect to win comps but enjoys them nonetheless, is this an option you'd recommend or would you suggest something a little heavier and more robust?

    Cheers,

    Ken

    The model is no more subject to hanger rash bumps and dents than a hollow molded hard surface model. If you drop something on the wing or tail feathers, or bang it on the car door it will mark. But these smallish type marks are easily removed using a heat iron with a wet or damp layer of paper towel laid over the damaged area. The heat from the iron steams the foam core back to shape, magic:thumbsup:.

    This method will mark the painted areas, but everywhere else it usually results in a perfect surface again, and you can’t do that so easily with a hollow molded model.

    The fus is very strong and I think is unlikely to be damaged by just heavy handedness. 

    If the wind blows it over, it will get damaged so don’t do that.

    Overall it is much stronger than you think.

    I have to say that I am having difficulty getting to know this model. I find it’s very low weight makes it easy to fly, but I have yet to find the best trim to suit me, and get the best out of the model.

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    I've got the same guys DLG. The strength to weight ratio is very impressive.  The dlg is made of 25g uni directional cloth, presumably 2 layers. I think a hollow moulded plane with that layup would dent if you looked at it wrong. 

    I'm really impressed with these cnc foam core models. I think they are the future. Certainly for models that want to be light.

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