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Jef, I know you want this kept as members only, but it there are a lot of non-members who may well find the thread interesting, maybe even drum up some interest in thermal soaring - any chance of reconsidering?  

 

Simon

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JayBritish is too "young" as a Barcs member to post his pics here, so I am doing it for him. Here are pics of his Fendon...

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Jef, I know you want this kept as members only, but it there are a lot of non-members who may well find the thread interesting, maybe even drum up some interest in thermal soaring - any chance of reconsidering?  

Simon

Not actually too bothered either way... just feel there should be more to BARCS membership again, than just a sense of duty.

But I can see Simon's point; It has to be better for 'everyone' here, if there is increased participation in (and enthusiasm for) all types of RC Soaring.

Any thoughts from anyone else?

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Hi,

I think it would be good to see if it does generate more interest and therefore show there is more to BARCS. I can fully understand where you are coming from Jeff, but it may or may not open up interest to more soarers and show its not been all about carbon, especially to the newbies.

On a personal note I love the vintage models and found the posts and pics really interesting. Sadly I am relatively new to gliding and feel I missed a really good period in thermal soaring especially but also slope. Thankfully I have had plenty of practice with the bungee and wooden all be it more modern than the ones in thread, then moved onto the winch with an old cobra, spending many hours at our local field learning the art of thermaling and winch launching with Simon.

I would love to get hold of plans for some of the models already shown in this thread.

Martin

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"On a personal note I love the vintage models and found the posts and pics really interesting. Sadly I am relatively new to gliding and feel I missed a really good period in thermal soaring especially but also slope".

I know "nostalga aint what it used to be" but on this occasion I think you are very right. I have been fortunate/lucky enough to have been there right at the start of competitive RC Thermal Soaring in the UK right through to the present day. When I compare the scene then to what we have now it's world's apart. To stand any chance of getting a comp entry you had to apply on the day they were "Paper Published" (no internet then) otherwise you were on the waiting list. This was just for regional comps never mind the biggies like RadioGlide which really were really really big then. Radioglide was in all but name the British Nationals.

60-80+ entries just for regional comps was the norm back then. When Graham Foster, Rod Laver & I organised/ran Radioglide at Ferndown in Dorset it was around the time that mainland Europe was first getting into RC Thermal Soaring. We had to close and re-open the list several times and ended up with over 150+ entries if memory serves me correctly. (Might not !..I'm getting old remember!).

Back in the old days it was considered a privilege to run RadioGlide for your region on behalf of the entire soaring community. The amount of work involved in pulling together an event of this magnitude was massive as anyone who has organised such an event will testify. We ran Radioglide on three occasions for the SouthEast Region and every one was supported by very large numbers of entries whether it be for Open or 100". Compare this to where we are today and yes I think I can say without hesitation I feel sorry for those flyers that missed out on this Golden Age of competitive RC Soaring. BTW, it wasn't just about the entry numbers, the social side of the soaring scene then was fantastic.

I have been very surprised at the amount of interest this thread has generated. It appears there are a lot of older guys who have fond memories of the Golden Age of  RC Soaring in the UK. I know its never coming back, but boy do I miss it!

Now, I must find those Fendon pics that need posting !!

Colin

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Just a thought for anyone interested in building a 100" thermal glider that West Wings have designed the Lancer,maybe worth looking into.

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what happend to get where we are now?

The planes we have are fantastic, but the numbers are low.

I am a great believer in nostalgia not being what it used to be. I think it's always the scene and the people you are with at the time that make something good.

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I to remember those days from the 70s beginnings 230 BARCS number gives it away and was at the first Radio Glide at Pontefract Race Course.

I don't necessarily share all the good times that there were although there were many. Prefer electric now as you do not get the frustration of broken lines poor towers and lugging winches around. Oh yes broken bungees stakes pulling out and rubber breaking.

What a miserable old git you are thinking, maybe but I reckon if reliable electric had been available then, would we be having this discussion.

To this end would free flight and control line have been the main classes if radio had been available.

Still have a lot of my stuff on pdf files as they take up less space than plans.

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It's a mystery to me why the popularity of RC soaring waned, perhaps BARCS 'elders' can explain.

Is that a Phase-Lift (red job)? Have a tatty one and the plans to build a new one, Chris's flap/aileron/rudder mechanical mixer is a wonder!!

GB 

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It's a mystery to me why the popularity of RC soaring waned, perhaps BARCS 'elders' can explain.

Is that a Phase-Lift (red job)? Have a tatty one and the plans to build a new one, Chris's flap/aileron/rudder mechanical mixer is a wonder!!

GB 

I think 'elders' is very apt.  Lots of folks who flew in the 70s/80s are sadly now too old to fly and have retired, or have passed on.   Youngsters seem to have found different toys to play with - maybe learning to fly is just not 'immediate' enough - you have to stick at it for a while.  So few new pilots have come along to take over the shrinking ranks.  Also gliders are a bit specialist, with most model shops not stocking much of interest to most glider pilots, and any newbie going to a model shop for the first time is likely to get seduced by something with an engine, or a helicopter.

Back in the 80s, I think there was one RadioGlide with 180 pilots.  To win RadioGlide was something very special with those sorts of numbers.

It might well be that there is as much soaring going on, just many more lone pilots flying EasyGliders and the like, and not competing.

Simon

ps.  hover over Brian's photos and the model names will be revealed!

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'Elders' was a carefully chosen word! Was thinking of the folk who still compete or are on the BARCS committee and have experienced the 'golden years'.

That Phase Lift must have been a winner because it was red!

True, it's an ARTF world, very difficult to convince people that there is more satisfaction in building your own but I have seen results in our club recently that are very heart warming.

More pictures of the oldies please!!

GB 

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This is how I saw it...

Construction at home, over a four to six month period (or longer), of a model, which would theoretically be less efficient than a clubmate's shiny ready-to-crash model, seemed a waste of effort, and the Mouldie's £600 price tag was too big a jump from the £80 - £150 for wood and covering, that the home constructor was used to paying. 

The term "Chequebook Modelling" came along and suddenly flying anything of non-wooden construction (also known as Plastic Pigs), put pilots in a different social group, I expect that this stigma discouraged some from investing in moulded models too.

The excuse "No point in competing, the moulded models are more efficient", may or may not have been valid, but I am sure that some used it, to reduce their participation in Comps.

Division of the dwindling numbers, when F3J competitions came along, did nothing to help the situation.

The aging group that continued to fly were less able to give a good hard tow, so some of them had to retire from the competitive side of the sport, and as has been said, there was nowhere near the influx of youth required to maintain the numbers.

Anyhow, this thread is not to highlight the mess we found ourselves in, it is to CELEBRATE the wondrous designs of the ebulient period!

So, more pics and info please!    

Jef

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pete beadle

Well said Jef

You've got to remember also that we who experienced the "Golden years" were so much YOUNGER then - that's what really hits home - the lost youth!

Prior to the ravages the "nanny state" made on the dangers of participating in ANY competitive sport I, personally, used to box, race motorcycles AND still find time on the weekend to fly my trusty old Proton in comps doing, maybe 10-12 hard one-man tows in the day - it wasn't all beer and skittles y'know!

BUT I really do remember with fondness getting to the flyoff at Frogsnest Farm back in the day with a field of well over 100!......

Great memories indeed!

Regards

 

Pete

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I missed the really "Golden Years" but was lucky enough to be competing from the early nineties to current times. Seeding for Radioglide etc was still in effect and the memories of these big entry comps will stay with me forever. Meeting up with so many people from all over the UK and having a brilliant social time as well as great competition is sorely missed. 

I agree with Jeff regarding the possible reasons for the decline in numbers but what really baffles me is that we seem to be the only country affected. At several European comps I have done over the last few years, there are endless keen competitors of all ages from countries, some of which I have never heard of. And as for youngsters, it is quite deflating being beaten by a lad who is not quite as big as his transmitter and there are many of them who compete equally, particularly from Germany. Maybe Simon is correct. British kids aren't interested if they can't be world beaters straight away but have they had the opportunity to try? We need to find a way to give youngsters a chance but the current breed of flyers do not have children of the right age........we are all too damn old!

 

Colin

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The Trilogy in the picture from Pete Beadle is the second version from 1978, with a built up wing instead of fully sheeted. It is as original so is some 36 years old and survives by way of Dave Mason a now deceased old friend never throwing anything away. George Read built the first verion of the Trilogy and won the first Radio Glide at Pontefract in 1978 with. Oh yes 100 inch model :o

The 7 version you mention is actually the one you first flew when we first met at Flambirds in the mid 90s. This also is extant and flown at times by Nigel Dell, up in Shopshire.

 

Always thought the building was part of the hobby and gave more thril to fly something you had created from virtually a blank sheet of paper. Time change however and can remember Tom Davison telling me that when he went up to his home in the North East, offering to take his nephew up a slope for some slope soaring, the nephew said he could not see the point in doing that, as he could do the same on his computor :(

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Some more pictures of gliding in thse rose tinted spectacle days.

The big group is a winter comp at Flambirds Anglia Club site this was a local comp as well.

Anglia team in the 90s Me, Rob Pinder, Roger Knights and Phil James.

Another winter group shot name the flyers?

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