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Thursday 30th April, there was a midair collision between a light aircraft landing at Shoreham Airport and a model aircraft being flown from Mill Hill. Fortunately there was minimal damage to the full size and the incident is now being investigated by the CAA and the Air Accident investigation Branch. The local police have posted an advisory notice at Mill Hill prohibiting model flying and anyone intending or found flying there will have their equipment confiscated.

Because of this it is recommend that all BMFA members do not fly from Mill Hill with immediate effect so as not to inflame matters and until the issues are resolved. 

This is the text on the web page. If there is a Police notice prohibiting model flying is that not clear enough. Where is there a conflict of information on the ESSA web page?

 

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I've flown there once, and swore never to do it again, way, way too risky.

The site was an "accident waiting to happen", I'm just thankful it's now happened with minimal effect to the persons onborad the full size.

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This is the current statement from South East BMFA:

"Dear all South East Area member/Club,

I have been in contact with head office and they have spoken to the BMFA 
member involved. The inquiry will take place, which may take some 
months, so until the out come is known we see there is no reason why we 
can not continue to fly at Mill Hill.

Regards
Stuart Willis
BMFA South East Area Chairman"

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pete beadle

Hi all

The consensus from our club's legal help the last time an incident similar to this happened was, that stopping flying could be construed as an admission of guilt and so flying SHOULD continue to prevent this

Tom Satinet has a valid point, when flying at Milk Hill a year or so ago, some gentleman apparently worried about damage to flora and fauna, by our walking about on the site while we were flying, called the police. The WPC that attended, (in flak jacked and hi-vis coat) told us she'd checked the local byelaws and saw no reason for our activities to be stopped, she then went to the complainant and informed him of this fact. He went home, we didn't

It's a fine line drawn here, we should comply with police wishes regarding safety, and BMFA recommendations but we should IMO anyway also make sure the authorities know we are doing so under protest and without any admission regarding guilt

Regards

Pete

BARCS1702

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The thing is if model flying was 'allowed' at Mill Hill before,  bearing in mind it's basically legal everywhere not withstanding local bye laws and caa rules  etc, why is it not allowed  now.

So if the full size is found to be at fault are they going to close the airport? No. Fair enough if it's not safe to fly there because of the airport then fine, bring in a bye law. 

It seems a strange  situation, if true, but i guess that's the country we now live in.

 

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Pete Burgess

Hmm...  This happened a week ago and only now have the local media (TV & Radio) picked up on it. Must be a quiet day on the News Desks!

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pete beadle

Hi Pete and Andy

I think the media are concentrating their efforts on some sort of election that's going on at present

I don't think I can remember anything similar to this for at least four years........

As that idiot politician said a while ago - "It's a good time for breaking bad news, when the media are looking the other way"

Regards

Pete

BARCS1702

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interesting   on the slope soaring sussex blog

 

Interesting comments and conjecture. Speaking as one of the three flyers airborne at the time of the incident, I can confirm that the light aircraft was nowhere near 1000ft ASL as it crossed the hill. We were combating from the lower footpath at heights varying from ground level to possibly 100 feet, which would put us roughly at the level of the road plus about 50 feet at most. The light aircraft appeared suddenly and quietly over our heads and slightly to the right, roughly over the 'Gully Run' bush where it made contact with a Wildthing. I suspect that the published 1000 ft figure is more to cover ATC than an actual fact. The incident occurred because the pilot did not follow the circuit and approach paths recommended (but not mandatory apparently) as shown on the airport's web site. http://www.flybrighton.com/pilots/airport-general-information . Understandable as the pilot was a French visitor

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pete beadle

Hi AndyB

Many thanks for giving us the facts of the matter

I hope you'll keep us updated as and when you are made aware of developments, so we (very) interested flyers will be able to see through the media hype which has, as usual, entered into this alleged safety problem reported as only the more irresponsible papers always do 

At times like this I'm always concerned when I see a no information whatsoever from BMFA sources regarding what they are doing to "nip this in the bud" by providing accurate, factual information in rebuttal to the media speculation. We are usually told "don't worry, its all in hand, we are working as hard as we can behind the scenes on behalf of our membership, we just can't tell you about it for legal reasons"

Fine, why can't you treat your members as adults and keep us informed of the situation from your/our side promptly? Why do we have to rely on guys like Andy when IMO we should be looking to BMFA, as our representatives, to tell us what's happening?

Come on BMFA, it's not PR we're wanting to see, it's that you ARE reacting by stating the true facts on our behalf to help get this matter  resolved before our good name is blackened by the sensationalist press

Anybody at BMFA interested in a comment to us members yet?.........

Regards

Pete

BARCS1702

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https://www.bmfa.org/News/News-Page/ArticleID/2243/Model-Flying-at-Mill-Hill-West-Sussex

 

Daily Mail Headline  - Deadly drones confiscated by the police. Ban ALL reaction events, except horse riding and conkers, forever!!!!  Deport anyone found with death drone to bingo bongo land. Princess Di something....something.  Probably.  Or just keep flying.

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From what i have read recently a visiting French pilot was clearly at fault, busting several rules of the air. The guys were flying foamies from a lower part of the slope (steeper with better lift). Perhaps the police could adjust the spacing of the anti-gypsy concrete-filled barrels at the entrance of the car park as I can barely get my Galaxy through!

Mishandled case.

GB

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Would be nice to think that those modellers who so quickly jumped on the band wagon to judge and attack their fellow modellers on forums and facebook (happily not on this forum) will be equally quick to apologise to the poor bloke involved in this incident.  It must of been bad enough for the guy to of hit a fullsize without the witch hunt that followed. I have no idea who the guy is but wish him all the best and hope he is continuing enjoying his model flying.

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Hi.  Can anyone tell me if slope soaring is still permitted at Mill Hill or not?  it a great slope but I don't want to make the journey unless I am sure.  Hope someone can give me a definitive answer.

 

Thanks

Peter K

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