Skip Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 First broken by David Stary with 24.5 then set by Lukas Gaubatz with 24.1 in Austria at the Baunsberg. Vids are on youtube on Bastelwasel channel (Lukas or Martin, I can't remember which)
wookman Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 And there's me struggling to consistently go sub 70 seconds!
Jonathan W Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Is this legal as they are Dynamic Soaring!? 1
reto.blumer Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Why shouldn't it be legal? It was the Austrian Championships event !!! DS is not forbidden in any way, as long as you fly according to the rules, which seems to be clearly the case here.They perfectly exploited the peculiar topographic settings of this slope. It's not only flown great, it is also intelligently flown.Lukas reached some 21 s in practice session last year on this slope, using of course the very same DS technique behind the treeline.Now let's find some slopes with similar settings ;-)CheersReto 3
Andy_B Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Legal yes ......in the spirit ...........? 2
John T Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 And there I was getting a bit worried about the odd tree starting to grow on our local slopes...
Phil.Taylor Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 HaHa ! - nicely done thoughF-Tree-F 1 1
Rumbey Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Initially I thought wow but looking at the video not at all. If it was on a conventional slope then great. Still very good but the previous record by Mr O is far more impressive
oipigface Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I agree with Reto - nothing illegal there. I also agree with Andy - it's F3F, but not as we know it.
Jonathan W Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Okay, I think we should setup the F3F course on the back of rushup edge and see if it's legal when a UK pilot goes sub 24 sec. This is full DS not like Mr O flight.
isoaritfirst Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 We do have numerous slopes where F3f style flying has been done on the DS side of the hill. Should we run a comp there?Personally If we tried to run a comp either on a tree line or on the DS side in the UK I don't think I would attend.If it was part of our National championships, for me that may mean an end to my sport.I could not afford to be competative.Conversley I find it all very interesting and extreemly well flown, but records in my eyes are there to drive the "sport" / "F3f" forward, to give measurable goals that all can aspire to and measure their advancement against.As a fastest F3f run then yes as a national comp its a legal comp and qualifies, and congratulations to Lukas. Does it make records unachievable? Is it a different class?I would prefer it if this hadn't happened in a competition, and think that the organisers are at fault for running a comp in such an enviroment.IMO they made a problem for our sport. 4
satinet Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 That's a highly unusual slope for certain!
Phil.Taylor Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) That's a highly unusual slope for certain! I can think of a few "bad" UK slopes with trees Edited September 21, 2015 by Phil.Taylor
Bear Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Great bit of flying and use of the topography, well done to Lukas.As a relative outsider to the sport but a keen follower of motorcycling, I have always felt the world record is pretty meaningless. Just like every track is different so every hill is different. Its like comparing apples to oranges and to be honest I cannot see how it affects the sport, personally watching how the best flyers work a model wherever they fly inspires me. Records and Pbs are fun but winning a meeting or Championship means the "luck" element is drastically reduced. If the world record can only be obtained by using a element of DSing does that really detract from the sport?
czyno Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 In the same way, Lukas already flown faster. In the spring of this year: Najlepšie časy: Lukas (23,37s), David(23,54s), Martin (26,44s), Schimi(31,08s), Fero (31,50s), Rafael (33,19s), Paľo (33,40s), Franzi (33,41s), Hannes (38,15s).
isoaritfirst Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) As a piece of quality flying, as a spectacle, as insperation then this video is all of that.Lukas did what he had to do to win that comp.But should organisers lay out courses where this is the only way to win?Or even worse was the course laid out to gain a world record speed and the competion took the back seat.To me its all a little suspect, PB's/WR should be won in the heat of battle not chased after as their own merit, or planned for by organisers.We had similar issues a few years back where down hill racing was being classed as F3f. Still great to see but the status is for me an issue. Edited September 21, 2015 by isoaritfirst 1
Dave Elam Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 All very interesting and very well flown to achieve such a 'record'.I've just had a read through the FAI F3F rules and it does seem a bit odd that the definition of a competition site is so vague/ Relevant rule below.5.8.14. Organisation of the Contest: The competition must be held at a site which is suitable for slope soaring. When marking the starting and landing areas and the turning planes, the organiser must take into account the configuration of the terrain and the wind direction. It seems to me that the flight would be considered legal and that the record should stand. Does it go against the spirit of F3F? Well with the rule regarding a site being so vague it was always open to be interpreted as someone wished.If it was left to me I'd be revisiting that FAI rule book to ensure F3F competitions and records are conducted on the front face and without DS assistance. 3
Jonathan W Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Yes, Lukas is a very good pilot, he had the best technique and the fastest time on the day. My comments are not a personal attack.
Skip Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 New flight plan for the Wrecker. Going to have to ask the CD to sit in the safety zone though. (Should we anyway?)Will courses be set to facilitate or restrict it now? Nothing you can do about the Austran slope. There is a similar slope in some Alps somewhere too. EM uses different wind conditions to gain more energy like DS....
isoaritfirst Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I can see the glazed eyes now, as I try to explain F3f to those that ask what I do and that the WR is 24.1 but...........Although to be fair I know I am an old stick in the mud, and I really don't care that much but to amuse myself..For a really fast time we need DS hill, model with Giro, and perhaps a larger hill (1000mtr) just to the side where a clean and powerful launch can be had before diving down straight into reach the course.What exactly are the rules about where you have to launch from? Edited September 21, 2015 by isoaritfirst 4
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