Martin_N Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 5 hours ago, Skirmish said: There must be folk out there who struggle to find time for a two day event. Having said that there are obviously a lot of people who can manage it and enjoy that format. Can we accommodate both camps to try and be as inclusive as possible. Is there any way that the scoring could be carried out that would allow those attending just the Sunday to still be in with a chance of winning the competition? How would that work and be fare to the pilots that attend both days? Last year everyone stayed for the 2 days however we did say we could run the two days as individual contests a you have a winner on each day, but the combined comps would be to crown the overal NATS winner which is only fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oipigface Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I think you've answered your own question, Martin. Viva the treble comp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_N Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 37 minutes ago, oipigface said: I think you've answered your own question, Martin. Viva the treble comp! That was the intention John it worked well, the option was there it just worked out that pilots stayed and enjoyed both days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Elam Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Surely the whole point is to have one competition, the EPP60 Nationals. If I'm going to attend it will be to enter and stand a chance of winning the Nats, not just one of the contributory comps. For many years the event was on just one day and it worked fine. As I say, I'm sure there are many people out there that would love to enter but just can't commit to two full days away from home and family duties. Does that not make it unfair to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_N Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Oh dear here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oipigface Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 37 minutes ago, Skirmish said: Surely the whole point is to have one competition, the EPP60 Nationals. If I'm going to attend it will be to enter and stand a chance of winning the Nats, not just one of the contributory comps. For many years the event was on just one day and it worked fine. As I say, I'm sure there are many people out there that would love to enter but just can't commit to two full days away from home and family duties. Does that not make it unfair to them? No, it doesn't. It gives them a choice of two one-day competitions, and the option (should their commitments change) of a two-day one. It's what we economists call a Pareto superior solution - better for some, worse for none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankoneleg Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 who are these many people as I don't remember them coming to the league comps and they were 1 day. I like the 2 days makes a good weekend. frank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Ronnie Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Been up to Nonts Sarah today for a spot of EPP bashing. And a bit of recruiting for the Nats looks like theses boys are up for it. Great couple of flights, but Tooooo Cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynk Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Are all the EPP racers tail-less? I thought that would make them a bit twitchy for racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oipigface Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Rules don't restrict planes to be tailless, but experience has (I suppose) shown that planes with tails are less likely to win races. Twitchy they can be, but properly set up the most popular designs can all be set up to respond smoothly if that's what the pilot wants. They are very sensitive to CG position, and setting up is usually not a one-off process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Fastest and best model I've had was my much reworked Rico-She. Trouble was it just was too difficult to keep flying well throughout a day of Man on Man racing. But when it was going well - there was little that could match it. Bluto was possibly quicker in great air but not as versatile. Ricoshe also had camber options that helped in the climbout, and snap flap that made it click around a turn better than many planks can manage. Overall I still thing the Gulp SR is a great racing model. Its fast enough, but not the fastest, but it takes the knocks, is non fussy and still flies as well at the end of the day as it does at the start. Probably the most sucessful epp racer ever, because it copes well with all conditions and flies so easily it can be made to fly a good tight course and change its line when needed. Some plank designs, especially when flying heavy can only fly a smooth line that is fine if no one else is on that line.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Skua is a nice handling plank - but gets a bit out of shape if you push it too hard. Fine for racing but try Dsing or high speed dives and it will flutter at around 80mph, no matter how much care you take with the build. Bluto is very fast and tough enough, lands well and can be made to have crow braking pretty succesfully. But I wouldn't choose it in light conditions, to my mind its best built heavy and kept for the big days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffN Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 All this enthusiasm is infectious. I will have to build a plank though. Thinking 60 inch span, PW51 foil, golf club shafts for spars, no sweepback. Any suggestions as to root and tip chords? Can you use any thickness of lam film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oipigface Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Any hints on building sockets for knock-off fins on EPP models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3fman Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Velcro, but why do you want them to knock off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Best to mount them as securely as you can. A lost fin can mean a lost model. Better that they get crumpled but carry on, than removed imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oipigface Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, f3fman said: Velcro, but why do you want them to knock off ? I'd rather have them knock off than break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Elam Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'm with Mike. Secure the fin as strongly as possible. Of course the Gulp fin is EPP and can take a huge bash and still remain in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Ronnie Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Hi all you EPP racers. Please keep your eye on this post, the dates for this year's BMFA's 60 " Epp Nats Will soon to be announced. I hope we get a good number from the southern guys again, I know some of you have some unfinished business. Looks like the lads from the north are up for it again. Ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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