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RamJam 53

Just to lighten the mood a bit. My moulded stuff gets flown less than my Amigo," stick and yes tissue" built by me. Plus my middlephase built by me.

 

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RamJam 53

I do have an Ahi as well.😁

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Ikura

There are more people building traditional models than you might think. If traditional model building had become such a rarity then Balsa Cabin would no longer have a viable business but Balsa Cabin are thriving (thank goodness).

In our club some members are now building balsa and ply models from kits and plans. Builders are still outnumbered by 'buy it and fly it' members but interesingly the number of foam models is dwindling. Some people have found out that gliders such as those from Topmodel tend to fly so much better than foamies. There are also FVK, classic Multiplex, Tangent and a few moulded gliders in the club.

I own a Multiplex Heron and Easy Glider 4, and there are at least 5 other members who own the same gliders. We also have a fair selection of traditionally built vintage models, some very interesting flying wings (all built by me from European CNC kits and plans).

There's no doubt that if you took a vote on what flies best, traditionally built models would win the vote hands down in our club.

When I joined the club is was 90% foam models. Now it's probably 50/50 which is really positive, especially considering the 50+ age group of the majority of us.

One very real bonus is the new skills and enthusiasm people are developing for working with balsa, ply, hard and soft woods. At our age, mantaining our motor skills and developing new skills is essential for well being, as is the sheer joy of creating something from a pile of wood and flying it. There isn't much that can beat it for some of us.

David.

 

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Ikura

Built from a CNC kit...........model building is alive and well.

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Phil.Taylor

Love the way this thread is going 😊

Now we have to be BMFA members to fly - lets all go retro & nostalgia - just like in the BMFA news - balsa bashing - tissue & dope - rubber motors?

Phil.

longtime balsa basher...

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pete beadle

Hi Phil

Like your style! and, yes, balsa bashers - I'd forgotten that one :)

Please don't forget you have an open invitation to ISA Nostalgia Day on the 8th September 2018..........it would be a great pleasure to me, to see you there

BTW while this part of the thread has been running I've had another enquiry about Nostalgia Day - looks like it's shaping up to be busy this year:thumbsup:

.....and don't forget, you don't have to fly a tissue covered, balsa and ply machines, I'd be perfectly happy to see a few more MPX models with glass fuselages and white foam wings.......Flamingos, Kranich's, Juniors etc ,,,,,,.... maybe even a Mark 1 Alpina or two........and I'm hoping to have both the Frank Zaic  Thermic 100" and the "Nymph" ready to go too......can't wait..........

Regards

Pete

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oipigface
55 minutes ago, Phil.Taylor said:

just like in the BMFA news - balsa bashing - tissue & dope - rubber motors?

Not everything in the BMFA News is like that, Phil!

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Ikura
39 minutes ago, pete beadle said:

.....and don't forget, you don't have to fly a tissue covered, balsa and ply machines, I'd be perfectly happy to see a few more MPX models with glass fuselages and white foam wings.......Flamingos, Kranich's, Juniors etc ,,,,,,.... maybe even a Mark 1 Alpina or two........

I'm restoring 2 Multiplex Kranich, a Flamingo 2001 and an Alpina and although it will be a full on winter job to get them back to 'factory fresh' condition I hope to have them flying next season.

Still looking for a Multiplex Alpha, Fiests SF and LS3 if anyone has one or knows of one. I am happy with buying restoration project condition ones or unbuilt kits if they are still around.

David.

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AnthonyB

Yes, Pete Beadle they were great days, and peaceful, without rules (other than transmitter pennants)

40 years ago I had to drive for 10mins to slope soar or the local power club. 30 years ago I had to walk out of my back garden to fly. Though with a Cox TD on my glider I launched from the garden, but landed in the field.

30 years ago I read a magazine (where comps were all listed) and just went. Usually there was a land line number to ring.

40 years ago I had no desire to travel to foreign comps, 30 years ago it was possible, but I certainly didn't bother.

I would turn up at a comp and try my best and if there was a better model that put me at a disadvantage I would go and buy one. There was no need for the best model on the planet, just one better than those at the comp.

I did have a small hardship buying from Russia and other places, but HSBC bank smoothed the way.

I have never been a tissue fan, but made my first glass pod 45 years ago. 30 years ago I was using unidirectional carbon and kevlar. It was more like 25 years ago that I was vacking it onto foam cores.

I was going to say I don't like looking back, but I have just finished a Radio Queen from 1949 ….. oh, and a couple of home designed built up REF 2m models. Laser cut ribs just have to be better than sandwiches.

However, “this connected world” can be irritating …... My Ava, Maxa and Perfection are now dated, to say nothing of my Simply the Best chuck glider.

30 years ago models were in the hands of the people with the skill to build them and fly them. Then it was in the hands of those that could buy them and fly them. Now there are a lot in the hands of those that can just about read the instruction book.

Gresham was right...... Bad modellers drive out good.

Yes I do miss the good old days, where you sat on the side of a hill or in a field and talked of the advantages of so and so. Then went away and built something to prove it.

 

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Phil.Taylor
2 hours ago, pete beadle said:

Hi Phil

I'm hoping to have both the Frank Zaic  Thermic 100" and the "Nymph" ready to go too......can't wait..........

Regards

Pete

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Pete - that lovely looking old-timer needs an update - you need to add your BMFA number !

Phil.

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pete beadle

Hi Phil

I'm pretty sure I shouldn't add a BMFA number, for a start it'd have to be a SMAE number, or preferably an AMA one.....it has got my name and address under the root trailing edge though - in case I get a flyaway using my dear old Futaba Gold:) remember them? - remove the tranny back to get to the reversing switches, NO model memories - so you can't forget which one you're on, no modes, no talking to you telling you where you are, or what you've forgotten to do, no binding problems......... absolute bliss!:D:yes:

I attach a pic of the Nymph, I've been trying to find out who made it, apparently it was a sort of plan pack including the glass fuselage designed and made by a chap called Pete (had to be!) who used to live in Chertsey and who used to fly it at Chobham Common back in the day.........am I being fanciful when I think of the Nymph's wingtips being very similar to the nymphs we used to use as bait when fly fishing?:popcorn:

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paul w
2 hours ago, pete beadle said:

Please don't forget you have an open invitation to ISA Nostalgia Day on the 8th September 2018..........it would be a great pleasure to me, to see you there

Not wishing to derail this thread, but please publicise widely Pete. I'm keen to attend (as I'm sure are many more) this year if the conditions play ball....

 

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pete beadle

Hi Paulw

I wouldn't think advertising a fly-in would be ruled as off-topic here, do you?

Anyway, as it gets nearer I'll do my best, details will be on the ISA website (http://www.ivinghoe.org.uk) and hopefully here..........anyway, just remember, you're invited, it's on Saturday 8th September and starts at 10AM from the top car park at Ivinghoe (LU6 25P)

Regards

Pete

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pete beadle

Hi all
I’m pretty sure some people thought I'm scaremongering when I said that the BMFA have now tied us to drone users whether we like it or not……
So, now have a look at today's banner headline on the BMFA website.......and see the  masthead ad for "dronepilot academy"
Apparently, for a mere £195.00 plus VAT any drone pilot member of BMFA "get to the next level" of drone aerial photography by attending a seminar, obviously backed (condoned?) by BMFA to make better use of his drone as an aerial photography platform.......REALLY?
This is the first confirmation of how the BMFA is now adding an income stream based on drones, for its members....what next you ask?......probably a BMFA employee answering questions on TV, or radio saying "See? We are providing training, insurance and seminars for our valued drone flying members, so everything's fine now"
Until, that is, the first crop of court cases defending people who DON'T want the intrusion into their lives that camera-carrying drones provide.......don't worry, the accidents, the drone crashes in crowded urban areas, WILL be following soon now, WE ARE going to get the blame.......and, from the general public’s viewpoint, rightly so
BMFA have now ruined any chance that conventional model plane users could say "Nothing to do with us"
The BMFA has put us squarely in the centre of the target area for when drone pilots start misbehaving.......thanks a bunch BMFA!
Regards
Pete

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Steve J

News article on CAA website -

http://www.caa.co.uk/News/New-drone-laws-come-into-effect-today-as-public-demands-regulation-increase-to-ensure-safer-flying/

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CAA research shows new drone regulations are supported by the UK public and drone users alike

The only thing that I can find on the research mentioned is this summary on the dronesafe site -

http://dronesafe.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CAA6952_Dronesafe_Research_Report1.pdf

I would love to know who the 350+ drone users questioned by the survey were.

Steve 

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MattyB
1 hour ago, pete beadle said:

Hi all
I’m pretty sure some people thought I'm scaremongering when I said that the BMFA have now tied us to drone users whether we like it or not……
So, now have a look at today's banner headline on the BMFA website.......and see the  masthead ad for "dronepilot academy"
Apparently, for a mere £195.00 plus VAT any drone pilot member of BMFA "get to the next level" of drone aerial photography by attending a seminar, obviously backed (condoned?) by BMFA to make better use of his drone as an aerial photography platform.......REALLY?
This is the first confirmation of how the BMFA is now adding an income stream based on drones, for its members....what next you ask?......probably a BMFA employee answering questions on TV, or radio saying "See? We are providing training, insurance and seminars for our valued drone flying members, so everything's fine now"
Until, that is, the first crop of court cases defending people who DON'T want the intrusion into their lives that camera-carrying drones provide.......don't worry, the accidents, the drone crashes in crowded urban areas, WILL be following soon now, WE ARE going to get the blame.......and, from the general public’s viewpoint, rightly so
BMFA have now ruined any chance that conventional model plane users could say "Nothing to do with us"
The BMFA has put us squarely in the centre of the target area for when drone pilots start misbehaving.......thanks a bunch BMFA!
Regards
Pete

Pete, clearly no amount of communication from the BMFA or anyone else regarding the rationale for how we reached this point will persuade you from this view; you believe drone pilots would be better on the outside of the tent weeing inwards. That is fair enough, but if it really is such a strong held view you should give up your BMFA membership - no amount of complaining here is going to change their position.

Ultimately the BMFA understand that whilst the ANO does not differentiate between conventional LOS model aircraft and multirotor SUAs ("drones")* then there is no value in excluding multirotors from the association. In that scenario all BMFA members still operate under the same legislation, but have no influence over those who fly drones. I severely doubt whether there would have been an exemption for flying over 400ft if one or more of the MFAs with a long standing safety record had not been prepared to offer membership to multirotor pilots.

* New 400ft exemption excepted; I still can't quite believe how the result we ended up with that result. If the authorities always wanted to differentiate multirotors from every other SUA why did they not use the definitions they applied in the exemption in the ANO itself, thus rendering an exemption unnecessary? Bizarre.

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Eamon

All, I use both F5J models, fixed wing electric planes and drones and am happy if the BMFA lends its weight to regulating the use of drones, hopefully generating similar tests to those for the use of Silent Flight, or Powered models - A cert B cert etc.

The main issue, as I see it - and this is only my opinion, is that anyone can purchase and fly a drone, without any governance and due to their [drones] exceptional platforms for flight stability, they are reasonably easy to control.  the same cannot be said for fixed wing aircraft.  This means any idiot, and I include myself in that statement, can fly one without any or much tuition.

There are several commercial examinations (http://commercialdronetraining.co.uk/) for the use of drones, and if the BMFA has its head screwed on correctly - which I am sure it has, then they will get into this side too and generate even more revenue and influence in this growing area of model flight.

I can only imagine, as part of the negotiations, and I am reasonably experienced in negotiating, that the BMFA had to make some concession towards the use of drones and their oversight.  So any move to do this and regulate this side of the hobby is a good thing, especially when the net result was to give us the freedom to continue in our part of the hobby reasonably unrestricted.

To have ignored this and not moved, would probably have resulted in us all having a 400 foot ceiling, which from my side would have destroyed a hobby I love and would not want to be deprived of.

I for one, would not be adverse to the Gov setting a certification requirement on the use of all model aircraft, requiring that cert to fly lawfully. That way you would need to eother join the BMFA or gain that certification / insurance through another avenue and make enforcement relatively simple on all model aircraft..

I am not looking for a debate or argument, just giving my 2 penny worth to the conversation.

I am very grateful to the BMFA for their efforts here and for one am disappointed at my own nervousness in relation to their efforts.  Thank you BMFA and keep up the good work.

regards

Eamon

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Steve J
23 minutes ago, MattyB said:

* New 400ft exemption excepted; I still can't quite believe how the result we ended up with that result. If the authorities always wanted to differentiate multirotors from every other SUA why did they not use the definitions they applied in the exemption in the ANO itself, thus rendering an exemption unnecessary?

The way that they have done it more or less fits the EASA model. AN(A)O 2018 is a step on the road to the open category and the permission is an operational authorisation for the associations. The bits that I don't understand are putting registration off until Q4 next year and the absence of anything on electronic identification in the consultation.

Steve 

 

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Steve J
6 minutes ago, Buster46 said:

I for one, would not be adverse to the Gov setting a certification requirement on the use of all model aircraft, requiring that cert to fly lawfully.

ANO articles 94E and 94F.

Steve

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pete beadle

Hi Matt

Quote – “Pete, clearly no amount of communication from the BMFA or anyone else regarding the rationale for how we reached this point will persuade you from this view; you believe drone pilots would be better on the outside of the tent weeing inwards.” unquote

Matt, it’s fairly clear your replies to each and every post I have made regarding the BMFA’s attitude towards the inclusion of drone pilots haven’t changed either. However, when you say “we” in “we reached this point” who are you referring to? To my certain knowledge no-one in BMFA management asked anyone in the BMFA membership how they wanted drones and drone pilots to be treated, before simply going ahead, making a unilateral decision, and imposing it on us

 

Quote2 - “That is fair enough, but if it really is such a strong held view you should give up your BMFA membership - no amount of complaining here is going to change their position.”

REALLY?  and where would I get my 3rd party insurance from, which for me, as with so many others who are currently BMFA members, was the only reason I rejoined the BMFA in the first place?

I knew from the first that the BMFA were a toothless shambles of an organisation but they, as far as I know, are also the sole provider of the insurance I couldn’t and wouldn’t fly without.......  

Regards

Pete

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