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I thought drones were automated??? 

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John Minchell

Maria

If we all ignore it, then they can prosecute each and every one of the 34,000 BMFA members for £1000 each.  Assuming of course that they have enough police and back office people to deliver the summons and that they get the membership list from the BMFA, which has already been offered, assuming that we all agree to it under GDPR rules.

My take is it won't be 170,000 registering, it will be more like 34,000 BMFA plus maybe 20,000 drone owners/operators and there will be a huge deficit, so we all end up paying an increased fee of £80 to £100 oreven more.  Most drone owners (toys at Xmas) won't have heard of the BMFA or the CAA and probably do not have insurance. 

We all know the rogues and criminals who will use drones to disrupt airports or for other criminal uses won't register at all.   Now it gets more serious.

So everyone complaining to modellers & each other on here is a waste of time - better to use that time to write emails and letters to:-   the CEO of the CAA Richard Moriarty, the CAA Head of General Aviation, Rachel Gardner-Poole and Dame Deirdre Mary Hutton the current chair of the CAA, also your own MP (despite the fact that they can't organise a p-up in a brewery judging by the Brexit debacle and murdering of democracy) - some of them might actually do something for their constituents like they were voted in to do!

John M

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pete beadle

Hi Tony

Don't tell them that! My understanding is that YES they're not flown they're TASKED let's see them sort that one out:)

Regards

Pete

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Maria Freeman
2 minutes ago, John Minchell said:

Maria

If we all ignore it, then they can prosecute each and every one of the 34,000 BMFA members for £1000 each.  Assuming of course that they have enough police and back office people to deliver the summons and that they get the membership list from the BMFA, which has already been offered, assuming that we all agree to it under GDPR rules.

My take is it won't be 170,000 registering, it will be more like 34,000 BMFA plus maybe 20,000 drone owners/operators and there will be a huge deficit, so we all end up paying an increased fee of £80 to £100 oreven more.  Most drone owners (toys at Xmas) won't have heard of the BMFA or the CAA and probably do not have insurance. 

We all know the rogues and criminals who will use drones to disrupt airports or for other criminal uses won't register at all.   Now it gets more serious.

So everyone complaining to modellers & each other on here is a waste of time - better to use that time to write emails and letters to:-   the CEO of the CAA Richard Moriarty, the CAA Head of General Aviation, Rachel Gardner-Poole and Dame Deirdre Mary Hutton the current chair of the CAA, also your own MP (despite the fact that they can't organise a p-up in a brewery judging by the Brexit debacle and murdering of democracy) - some of them might actually do something for their constituents like they were voted in to do!

John M

But I don't have any model planes and drones now ..... do I ?

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pete beadle

Hi John, and Maria

I do love it when people start saying that they're worried about bulk prosecution(s), the CPS is the most inefficient organisation I've ever dealt with

Regards

Pete

BARCS1702

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Maria Freeman

Well Pete. If I refuse to pay my £1000 fine they will have to put me in jail.... at least I'll have a TV  to watch , which I don't have here !

I'm sorry , but my eyes glazed over too when trying to read all the bumf.... 

What on earth has happened to this country ?

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John Minchell

Pete

The worth of a thread like this is to motivate people to get off their **** and reply to the consultation to try and stop the process & cost to us which will only start at £16.50 before it spirals upwards.  I would support every BMFA member boycotting the whole process  or even a modern day Guy Fawkes completing the job started in 1605, but it aint goin to happen is it?

Suggest you read again what I wrote and digest it till you understand it - not just what you think I wrote.

 

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7 hours ago, John Minchell said:

Maria

If we all ignore it, then they can prosecute each and every one of the 34,000 BMFA members for £1000 each.  Assuming of course that they have enough police and back office people to deliver the summons and that they get the membership list from the BMFA, which has already been offered, assuming that we all agree to it under GDPR rules.

My take is it won't be 170,000 registering, it will be more like 34,000 BMFA plus maybe 20,000 drone owners/operators and there will be a huge deficit, so we all end up paying an increased fee of £80 to £100 oreven more.  Most drone owners (toys at Xmas) won't have heard of the BMFA or the CAA and probably do not have insurance. 

We all know the rogues and criminals who will use drones to disrupt airports or for other criminal uses won't register at all.   Now it gets more serious.

So everyone complaining to modellers & each other on here is a waste of time - better to use that time to write emails and letters to:-   the CEO of the CAA Richard Moriarty, the CAA Head of General Aviation, Rachel Gardner-Poole and Dame Deirdre Mary Hutton the current chair of the CAA, also your own MP (despite the fact that they can't organise a p-up in a brewery judging by the Brexit debacle and murdering of democracy) - some of them might actually do something for their constituents like they were voted in to do!

John M

 Prosecute for what? That's like saying if you own a fishing rod you need a rod license or you're breaking the law. You don't. Same with drones. The license is to operate the things not own them per se. It's not like a shot gun license. 

You could be a bmfa member, fly, NOT register and STILL be legal. E.g if you fly planes under 250g. 

You can be a member of the bmfa and own no models or drones at all. 

The consultation is actually utterly pointless as the money has already been spent and they are legally obliged to recover the costs. 

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pete beadle

Well said Tom

Concise, accurate and good to know:thumbsup:

Please remember the standard responses by miscreants when caught in the act of committing a crime - "Deny everything, plead not guilty and go for a jury trial" (as is everyone's right, of course):yes:

Far too many people of a certain age base their views and recommendations on information that is horribly out of date when dealing with today's legal system

Today, cost is everything. Court time is horribly expensive and the  organisations such as the CAA, the Airports Authorities and the CPS itself, have to deal with the court of public opinion on a 24 hour news cycle where proven facts are hard to pick out of the media's statements........and look at the Leader of the Free World, setting an example by yelling "Fake News, Fake News!!!!! to everything he can't disprove

Sorry chaps, if you've been brought up on a diet of Rumpole, Judge John Deed and  Only Fool's and Horses your knowledge of the Law will be woefully inadequate for today's "Do a deal" culture which has very little actual respect for the Law that we in the UK remember with such pride.........just don't mention the NHS and/or Br*x*t:no: either OK?

 

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Pete

BARCS1702

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Sloper

Once the registration is live and operational, which it will like in the US and the rest of Europe, i expect the liability insurance we currently enjoy will require you to be registered, also the participation in BMFA clubs, competitions and shows, so for most of us it will be unavoidable. The cost and the 18+ ruling we may be able to overturn.

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isoaritfirst

I'm of to France soon and have just tried to complete their training and test procedure, and also to registered my models.

The training involves watching many small videos and answering a few questions. Nothing too onerous but it does take some time.

Once you have passed the test then you get a certificate, (which you must carry with you when flying) and once you have registered your models you get a unique number for each, which you have to daub onto your models.

But no charge!

 

Having completed the training, I now know I shouldn't fly my drone around airports or look at neighbours in their swimming cossies., or if I  have a weak GPS signal ( for return to home) .  I should land if anything else whats to fly. I can't fly in urban areas or parks or nature reserves,  I cant use goggles unless someone else is also flying my model with me and they aren't. I can't fly out of sight.

 

As a Slope soarer I did find one bit that is relevant to me  with a glider with no camera on board,

I shouldn't fly if its windy! 

 

Still better than the UK though,.

 

PS Having completed all the training the web site wouldnt let me do the test. The site crashed. It looks like I need to do it all again, another hour plus wasted, then hope the test site will open - or its do it again...

 

 

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3 hours ago, isoaritfirst said:

Having completed all the training the web site wouldnt let me do the test. The site crashed. It looks like I need to do it all again, another hour plus wasted, then hope the test site will open - or its do it again...

 

You seem to have spent your day in much the same way as me, Mike. It is not clear from the site that you have to register before attempting the test. I got all the questions right eventually, but I started in French and tried to continue in English, which meant in the end that I had to answer all the questions in both languages. I still haven’t got my certificate, but I have found the helpdesk unusually helpful, so I expect I shall eventually. Whether they are equally helpful if you write to them in English, I don’t know.

For those who are puzzled by the English version, it may be helpful to know that ‘in immersion’ is their translation of whatever the French for FPV is.

I too loved the bit about not flying if it’s windy!

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wookman

If it is too windy it means you have not got the right glider!

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f3fman
3 hours ago, wookman said:

If it is too windy it means you have not got the right glider!

Just means you haven't got enough lead  🤣🤣🤣

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Steve J
On 02/05/2019 at 06:46, satinet said:

The license is to operate the things not own them per se.

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Operator: person or organisation who has management of the small drone but may not be directly controlling the flight. There is no requirement for the operator to be present during the small drone flight ...

Do you have management of a glider in your garage that you own but haven't flown recently?

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18 hours ago, isoaritfirst said:

I'm of to France soon and have just tried to complete their training and test procedure, and also to registered my models.

The training involves watching many small videos and answering a few questions. Nothing too onerous but it does take some time.

Once you have passed the test then you get a certificate, (which you must carry with you when flying) and once you have registered your models you get a unique number for each, which you have to daub onto your models.

But no charge!

 

Having completed the training, I now know I shouldn't fly my drone around airports or look at neighbours in their swimming cossies., or if I  have a weak GPS signal ( for return to home) .  I should land if anything else whats to fly. I can't fly in urban areas or parks or nature reserves,  I cant use goggles unless someone else is also flying my model with me and they aren't. I can't fly out of sight.

 

As a Slope soarer I did find one bit that is relevant to me  with a glider with no camera on board,

I shouldn't fly if its windy! 

 

Still better than the UK though,.

 

PS Having completed all the training the web site wouldnt let me do the test. The site crashed. It looks like I need to do it all again, another hour plus wasted, then hope the test site will open - or its do it again...

 

 

do you have to carry a spare wing and a spare tailplane   and a warning parachute just in case 

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tonym
43 minutes ago, Steve J said:

Do you have management of a glider in your garage that you own but haven't flown recently?

I have a glider that I own but haven't flown recently in a rack in the garage that I use to manage this glider. What should I do next?

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isoaritfirst
35 minutes ago, Andy_B said:

do you have to carry a spare wing and a spare tailplane   and a warning parachute just in case 

There's the next thing right there!

How long before Type Approval outlaws such tings as replacing a tailplane, or the CAA etc demands an inspection and a new registration doc.

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Scram

Oh hell!!

I'm just building a new plane!!   Think it's coming up time to throw the towel in   :frantics:

and do some wall papering,  😪

gardening  😂

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Les
1 hour ago, Scram said:

Oh hell!!

I'm just building a new plane!!   Think it's coming up time to throw the towel in   :frantics:

and do some wall papering,  😪

gardening  😂

No way Jerry

We all need to stick together  on this one.

Hopefully see you soon on the slope pal.

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