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BARCS ELG at the Nationals

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Nick Jackson

For the first time, BARCS ELG is being flown at the Silent Flight Nationals this year - Monday 26 August at the BMFA National Centre, Buckminster. Come along and give it a go.

Because this is a non-BMFA class you book it  here on the BARCS site: 

Go to the BMFA site to book F5J and other BMFA classes, and to book SF Nats camping:  

http://bmfa-nats.org/event/silent-flight-british-national-championships

Please note BARCS ELG is scheduled at the same time as eSoaring (on a different flightline) so you can't fly both.  But no problem to combine BARCS ELG (booked here) with F5J or any other Silent Flight class (booked on the BMFA site.

 

 

 

 

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Steve Haley

Apologies for being negative here Nick but, I really don’t see any logic in running Esoaring and Barcs ELG on the same day at the Nationals.....this only serves to divide our hobby further and create even smaller entry lists......which committee thought this was a good idea?

 

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PeteMitchell

Understand your frustration here Steve.

The plan to run both events, each being very popular with the pilots who fly in them, was agreed between the SFTC and BARCS comittees earlier this year,  it was seen as a  possible way to encourage more participation .after the past few years falling entry numbers.

Unfortunately BARCS have little or no imput into the schedule of events at the NATs .

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wixy

Full agreement with Steve  ,We can’t afford this division 

One or the other or neither .

Learn from previous mistakes and just promote the international class F5J .

Could also be dangerous / mid air etc .

Was bad enough at RG flying the same time as F5B .

G

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Peter

Also agree

We were given this schedule as an alternative to having the event on the same day as F5J but with no proper discussion of other possibilities because of time pressure to publish the Nats entry form.

The whole Nats schedule of events needs a complete re-think but that is in the hands of the SFTC and not BARCS

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tonym

It is about time that the two main model glider competition weekends - the BMFA Nationals and BARCS RadioGlide - concentrated on the 'F' classes. I find it very frustrating that we waste time flying BARCS ELG, eSoaring, etc. when our pilots need practice at flying the classes that are used at the European and World Championships. Does Germany have this fragmentation in their National competitions? Does France? Does any country that values sending pilots to International competitions?

BARCS ELG, eSoaring, Multilaunch, etc. are club and local level competitions. The Premier UK competitions should be Premier classes only.

Now if you would, please pass me that ladder so I can get off this horse.

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Peter

For many years I have proposed to the SFTC  that the crowded schedule of the Nats should be reduced to 'F' classes only. As you say it is a National Championship. The response from a group of SFTC members who constituted a majority was:

'If the class is in the BMFA rule book then there must be a Championship event at the Nats' 

BARCS is a BMFA Specialist body but that only entitles us to one seat on the SFTC.  If you don't agree with their decisions then there are 6 members directly elected by the BMFA membership to whom you should address any comments. Or maybe stand for election?

Radioglide is a different matter as it is the BARCS Championship event so holding competitions for BARCS classes seems reasonable to me.  Any comments or ideas should be sent to the BARCS committee and I am sure will be discussed at the next RG planning meeting.

 

 

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wixy

Would be nice to know who the six are ?

Ridiculous schedule .

Saturday 100”  Plus 2mtr  e soaring  (probably count the entries on one hand .)

Sunday F3k F5J  Promoting the F classes seeking National Champion  😃

Monday  Open E soaring  Barcs ELG  pointless split of competitors ..

G

 

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Gary B

I hesitate to comment but this development was the indirect reason that I stood down as BARCS Chairman, the direct reason was that I was heavily criticised for my stance against it.

It should be noted that volunteer committee members remain free to vote in opposition to the majority (although in this case there was no vote). 

I was very briefly co-opted onto the SFTC but stood down from that role as well.

The British Gliding Association follows the FAI worldwide achievement scheme (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Diamond) with the sensible addition of a 'cross country diploma' which includes a 100 km flight as an extra step between the 50 km silver flight and the 300 km Gold distance/Diamond goal. All competitions run to FAI rules, one advantage of this is flying overseas, pilots don't need to understand the language, they just follow the task sheet given out at briefing.

There is no easy answer to to the eSoaring/ELG split apart from the BMFA dropping both for F5J which will never happen.  Anybody flying either of these disciplines who has the drive/ambition to represent our country would quickly realise that they are flying the wrong discipline and switch to F5J. 

I don't want to cause any trouble so this will be my only post on the matter unless I receive more criticism, I would feel obliged to defend myself.

My enthusiasm for the sport has been severely dented and I am taking a  year out,  hopefully my enthusiasm will return. 

  Gary

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wixy

 

Gary thanks for your efforts .

Hope to see you  at a competition soon.

G

 

 

 

 

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Nick Jackson

Hopefully this year’s schedule should be workable, including the Monday.  Both disciplines (Open eSoaring and BARCS ELG) have their adherents and it’s a realistic aspiration that both will have workable entries; and that the availability of both may boost overall numbers attending the SF Nats. Two flight lines operating at once  is of course normal for Buckminster rather than a peculiar hazard arising from this schedule.

BARCS has been keen to have BARCS ELG flown at the Nationals and is grateful for the SFTC’s invitation to run it as a non-BMFA ‘guest’ class in 2019. We’re asking the BMFA to adopt it in the future as a BMFA class. I don’t agree with Steve that any of this is divisive – my hope, certainly, is for the SFTC and BARCS to work more closely and harmoniously together in the future (and I’ve recently been co-opted onto the SFTC – though I’ve not yet made it onto the SFTC web page and no meeting has been scheduled since my co-option). Having said this, I don’t pretend that Open eSoaring and BARCS ELG running concurrently would have been my first choice. And - behind this and raised in a number of the comments in this thread - it seems to me that there are significant issues about the role of different classes, and of the Nationals, which don’t necessarily have easy answers but deserve more serious consideration for 2020 and beyond than perhaps they have had up to now.

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wixy

Will the organisers accept responsibility if an accident occurs .? 

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simonv
On ‎27‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 20:55, wixy said:

Would be nice to know who the six are ?

Ridiculous schedule .

Saturday 100”  Plus 2mtr  e soaring  (probably count the entries on one hand .)

Sunday F3k F5J  Promoting the F classes seeking National Champion  😃

Monday  Open E soaring  Barcs ELG  pointless split of competitors ..

G

 

Hi Graham,

We should get enough for 100" - maybe more than you can count on two hands.....

Simon

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