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    Quick summary report. 15 pilots flew 9 rounds on the Horcum southern bowl on day 1, and only 2 rounds on the NE Horcum slope on day 2, due to the wind, which started the day at about 7 m/s dropping below minimum and not returning. Final top three places: 1st Greg Dakin, flying Avatar (one round with Jedi) 2nd Simon Thornton (Shinto) 3rd Rich Bago, Mostly FS3 with a couple of flights with the FS 4 Greg also won the Fastest time with a 39.xx on day 1 (Avatar) Was good to see new face and Whitesheet local Nigel Witchalls, who seemed to be enjoying himself, and the return of Mick Walsh, down from his new base in Aberdeen. Big thanks to Jon Edison and Mark Treble who manned the centre, and John Treble for doing a great job as buzzer supremo. But everyone helped out with carrying stuff etc., so thanks to all. As the weather on the whole was pretty warm and pleasant (apart from the heavy and soaking shower at the end of day 1, I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend, and Greg was a worthy winner. Once I get the spreadsheet I'll post a bit more detail. Simon
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    It's been over a year since I (Colin Paddon) and Kevin Beale first posted details of our home built and designed 3.8m composite F5J glider, PROGLIDE. The original article can be found at this link: https://www.barcs.co.uk/f5j/articles-events-and-reports/articles/proglide-homebuilt-f5j-soarer/ This update brings us up to date with the project. It’s all very well designing and building your own competition plane but its not worth a lot if it turns out to be lacking in performance compared to the professionally manufactured gliders that it will be flying against. There seems to be a general misconception that home built F5J competition gliders are in some way inferior to the professional commercial offerings in terms of their flying performance. Straight away lets dispel this myth. The prototype PROGLIDE in its first full year of competition use won three UK F5J league competitions and finished 2nd in the 2016 National UK F5J league with an overall score of 99.06%. Myth dispelled. The only downside of designing and producing your own composite F5J plane is the time and effort it takes to do. If we paid ourselves 50p per hour for all the time we have put into this project we still wouldn’t be able to afford to buy them! It’s a complete labour of love in every way but the sense of achievement makes it all worthwhile. A quick look at the web gallery that accompanies this article will give you some idea of the time and effort that has gone into achieving our original goal which was that it must be economical to build, use techniques that anyone with reasonable building skills can learn/do and most importantly have as good a flight performance as the commercial offerings. Achieving the 100% perfect finish compared to the hollow moulded professionally produced planes was not a high priority. We were only interested in its flight performance and were happy to accept a good finish as opposed to a perfect one. During the development period we worked in parallel on different areas of design/construction. For example I decided that I wanted to be able to split the fuselage in half for ease of air transport which meant that the elevator and rudder servo’s were both enclosed within the tailplane mount pod with the boom being secured to the Fuselage Pod spigot by two carbon tubes that could be removed and the boom slid off. Ditto the fin/rudder assembly. Kevin worked on optimising his layout with the servos under the wing at first followed later by the elevator servo in the tailplane pod and the rudder servo under the wing. For his Fin/Rudder he went along a similar route that the Nan Xplorers use. Finding easy to do home build solutions to problems took time, effort and testing. One of the things that several people asked us about was how we made the wing joiners. In the end it was so simple that I wondered why I hadn’t thought of it before. Buy yourself from HobbyKing a protruded 10x10mm square section carbon rod which comes with a 8mm dia hole all the way through it. Cut into required joiner lengths and angle the two inner end faces to the required angle. Roll up 40mm of unicarbon tows to achieve a tight fit inside the hole, wet out fully with epoxy and slide it half way into one half of the joiner and then the other. Put balsa caps down the hole so that it just very slightly compresses the central wet unicarbon and keeps them centrally located within the length of the joiner and then clamp into required position and allow to set. Result, pair of carbon joiners that weigh 23g total. The plane would be destroyed before the wing joiners broke. This technique wouldn’t be strong enough for F3J planes but more than adequate for our lesser stressed F5J models. Quick, cheap and foolproof with the ability to create any angle of joiners you require. Kevin went a different route by using straight solid round carbon rod which allowed him in our normal wing section to get the required dihedral tip angle he wanted. All this problem solving sounds as if it was a PITA, and at times it felt that way, but in reality we both enjoyed finding home build solutions to these challenges. The first two Proglide’s produced used cheap fibreglass cloth on the flying surfaces which enabled us to learn the required composite skills knowing that when it goes wrong (it will BTW!) that it hadn’t cost the earth in materials. However, the aim was always to eventually use Carboline which is a fantastic cloth but it’s not without good reason that it’s called “Black Gold”, its very expensive but gives a strength to weight ratio that is unbeatable for our purpose. The early fibreglass skinned versions of PROGLIDE achieved RTF weights of between 1450-1580g, ie still reasonably light for a full house 3.8m electric plane. With each new plane we tried different lay-up’s, build techniques and incorporated various detail design changes along the way. Lots of time was expended in producing test pieces during this period to prove the viability of what we were doing. We had failures along the way on pieces that we felt sure would work well but turned out not to be of the standard we were seeking. Amongst the various failures though we managed to have some light bulb moments which were always welcomed! One such moment came when we started to investigate how to achieve repeatable 100% success with shaped inflation bladders in the moulding of the fuselage pod in order to minimise the weight. After quite a few failures it turned out that a fine tipped soldering iron and Recycled black rubbish bags (yes really) worked brilliantly. The variable air pressure for this task was handled by a £50 EBay airbrush compressor which had a small air reservoir tank. After trying various layups, like most of the professional manufacturers, we have now settled on using all carbon for the fuse pods. Another light bulb moment came in regard to hinging the flying surfaces. At first we used silicon hinges which did work but were relatively heavy and difficult to get perfect every time. We later moved to using Diamond tape for the hinge along with Microfibre tape on the inner faces of the foam. (Microfibre tape sticks like the proverbial to raw pink foam). This resulted in strong, lightweight quick to apply, field serviceable (if required) hinges that were very free in their movement. They have turned out to be every bit as good as silicon hinges and in many respects far better. After building a few Proglides we felt confident enough to move onto using Carboline. We also decided at this point that we would again take advantage of having two of us involved. Kevin’s first Carboline PROGLIDE was to use our normal wing section whilst mine was going to use one of the new F5J Syner ultra-thin wing sections. We had hoped to use a friend’s CNC foam cutter for this new prototype wing but unfortunately he moved house just at the wrong time and we all know how much time they take up to get sorted out. So, yet more wing /spar templates to make! Using such a thin wing section on a 3.8m wing brought with it a host of new structural problems to overcome and additionally neither of us was totally convinced that these Ultra-Thin wing sections were the right way to go for F5J. Kevin progressed quickly on his first Carboline build as we now knew exactly how and what to do. He made no attempt to get this plane down to be a super lightweight and used standard sized servo’s with a heavy motor/ESC/battery in the fit out. Even so the finished RTF weight came in at just under 1440g. He estimated that had he used lightweight equipment the finished RTF weight would have been easily under 1300g. The project was moving in the right direction. After flying it Kevin liked his PROGLIDE so much that he immediately decided to press on and make a full on lightweight Carboline version. This ultra lightweight PROGLIDE, which he seemed to put together in record time, came in at 1280g. It fly’s superbly. Meanwhile, it took me a while to iron out the new structural issues raised when building a 3.8m solid core ultra-lightweight thin section wing. Eventually though we were ready to proceed with the build. Did it go smoothly, of course not! Due to a stupid error on my part during the bagging up of the centre panel, I managed to ruin the entire panel. It was an expensive and time consuming mistake to make. After the required amount of San Miguel I decided to build a new centre section straight away. I took this “opportunity” to try a different approach with the spar structure. The rest of the build thankfully went without a hitch. The plane RTF came in at 1245g using lightweight radio gear, 1000mah 3S Hv Lipo and a 85g direct drive motor. All that was needed now was to test fly it to see if it performed as well as we hoped it would. Following several test flying sessions we can report that its flight performance has exceeded all expectations. All preconceived negative thoughts on whether ultra-thin wing sections would work well for F5J have been dispelled. In light of the successful flight testing of the first thin wing PROGLIDE we have decided to build a heavier windy weather version using the same thin wing section. In the meantime the Carboline Ultra light just tested can be ballasted to 1550g AUW which hopefully will be capable of handling a decent amount of wind (yet to be tested). But as we all know, here in the UK there’s times when you just need a heavy plane. For those that are interested in weights here they are. Part Finished Weight With Gear Installed Weight Carbon Fuse Pod 89g 135g Boom & Tailplane Mount 35g 55g Centre Panel 263g 333g Left Wing Tip 128g 150g Right Wing Tip 130g 152g Elevator 33g 35g Fin/Rudder/Tube 24g 24g Prop/Spinner/Motor 113g ESC 50g Other installed equipment 78g Total AU RTF Weight 1245g In terms of airframe material costs, the fibreglass skinned versions come in at around £100-£130 and Carboline versions at £200-£250. Labour cost….well let’s not go there! Overall, somewhat cheaper for an equivalent commercially produced 3.8m F5J model at this kind of weight! So what next? We are confident that we can further reduce the overall weight with minor detail changes, improved lay-ups etc, but recognise that we are getting close to what can realistically be achieved in this regard with home building. A picture really does say a thousand words, so if you are interested in seeing how the PROGLIDE is constructed, the photo web gallery that accompanies this write up shows all. If you have any specific questions about the plane or its construction please feel free to ask on this thread. Colin Paddon/Kevin Beale View full f5j article event or report
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    THE ENGLISH OPEN F3F 2017 . Whitesheet RFC . Sponsored by South Coast Sailplanes. It gives me great pleasure to announce the date of the English Open F3f for 2017. The event will be staged by the Whitesheet RFC over the weekend of Aug 19th 20th. Sponsorship;- I am both delighted & very proud of the continued excellent Sponsorship & support of the event by Peter Payne owner of South Coast Sailplanes http://www.south-coast-sailplanes.com/ Entry date opening ;- Entry will open at 9.00am on Thursday 1st June 2017 ( Entries will not be accepted prior to the opening date.) Entries are to be sent to myself at swallacegromit@aol.com . please include the following;- Name, Frequency, Models. BMFA / insurance details. I am again securing permission for the use of additional slopes to cater for wind directions not catered for by our club slopes. I shall be regularly posting English Open news, info, updates & comp details on this thread. For now though, be sure to put the date in your 2017 diaries. We at the Whitesheet RFC look forward to welcoming you to this event. Stu, Whitesheet Comp Sec.
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    The trophies are here, just missing a bottle of beer
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    oipigface

    Graecalis build log

    Maiden is in sight! Needs pushrods, polish and programming. Here are some pictures of the last month's efforts, which have been all about decoration. I think planes ought to have their names on them, so there it is on the starboard wing The Graecalis is a seasonal wind that blows somewhere in Italy. So on the port wing, I've put a rather scary representation of that. ( (Reminds me of Levisham on a bad day.) And, of course, the pilot needs a mention, so on the fin I put a Technicolor version of my avatar on this forum.
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    swarrans

    Fosa and Crossfire

    I'm pleased to say that I am the new owner of the Fosa with two fuselages! I can't make the motor/ESC bit work yet, but I think it might be related to throttle end points and I might have to resort to RTFM... Simon
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    Sloper

    Automated Buzzer system

    Saw this today on FB, Álvaro Silgado has been developing and automated camera recognition system and has tested in La Muela F3f Comp. Very interesting. More info on his FB page
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    oipigface

    Jedi Lift

    Brand new colour scheme for my brand new JL:
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    Stefan Bertschi

    Let's give it a try

    The wish to own and fly a F5J plane was 'haunting' me for quite some time. And then one day the bad combination of having some money in the pocket and the local shop having some stock occurs. Well this is the result. A Maxa Pro 3.5 light. Not hardcore light but still nothing compared to my F3F planes. Don't ask me about the motor. It's a Leomotion F5J set (geared). The prop is pure spread tow porn 😎. Building will probably take some time, but I try to give you some heads up in regards of the maiden
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    I was expecting that, but it's a real shame with such an enthusiastic entry list. Hope we can get the same level of interest for next month!
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    ididnotkilljfk

    RIP F3J UK

    I've read this thread with interest and have to agree that competitive gliding has to all intent and purpose shot itself in the foot and then continued to shoot itself multiple times thereafter ! Having taken part in gliding events during the hay day years of the pre glass ship 100" and 'Open " classes the elitist class was F3B. The route to competition was much more incremental , you would build a off the shelf glider ( in my case this was a Galaxy Gold Cloud) and could compete with that design within the bounds of its build. You would inevitably break it , make the necessary repairs or a revised rebuild to accommodate the needs of the competition and your expectations eg stronger wing for a more aggressive tow than the original design would accommodate . This was an incremental process and built up from a simple cheap start point and piloting skill. The provision of commercial designs swept the whole of the competition scene across all the disciplines , you only have to look at the fate of 'hand launch' to see the results , what started as a simple really really cheap option of a 2 channel built up model that just about anyone could build and use quickly turned into a 1 model ( FVK 'Simply the best') event, then suddenly discus launch kicked in and poly wing designs became obsolete almost overnight, it then became a race to build ever thinner stronger lighter moulded designs with ailerons and flaps to accommodate this launch technique. so suddenly entry level goes from a simple knock up build yourself over a couple of weekends to an expensive precision glass ship requiring much higher flying skills.The few EPP DLG designs have perhaps helped a little for those averse to the "build" but the onus still is driven toward the ultimate of a glass ship like a blaster or equivalent and flying skills on a par with micro surgery to reign in such thoroughbred designs. Look carefully and this applied to most of the competition events and all succumbed to the "I've got to get one of those to be competitive" Yes there will be those that jump up and point out that Radian pros have won electric events over the big expensive floaters and yes this does inspire to some small extent the option of joining in on a budget. The competitive model glider flying has estranged itself from any club level amateur, F3J turned into some sort of germanic team scheduleding event akin to a performance of swan lake!and as for model variation its probably down to a selection of perhaps 4 or 5 designs all to all intent and purpose the same, certainly no real scope or incentive to stray from such formula designs with anything unusual ! Realistically the lone amateur isnt going to feel very inspired , I've spectated events and those there are so busy with actual event theres very little in the way of inspiring such visitor to be motivated to join in . Add to that the actual bang for buck is limited in terms of actual flying after you have done your share of spotting, timing dogging etc when compared to going out on your tod to do some sport flying Until you can foster the have a go with what ever you have mentality you arnt going to inspire anyone to stump up the initial outlay so in order to pave te way in the future ther needs to be the means to get local club members flying gliders so that they dont instinctively grab their OS 90 pitts bipe but perhaps load up an epp glider into the car as well , seeing gliders on the field or in the air has to be be a start point in encouraging necommers to focus on soaring as an interest amidst all the other eye candy activities out there and is something soarers have consistently failed at over alot of years.
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    Andy_B

    Jedi Lift

    Ok if it's show and tell
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    Martin O

    Stream NXT

    My 2nd NXT ready to go. 226g, cg 66 mm, 1200 single cell.
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    Andy_B

    F3F Model Wanted

    Actually Pete its not your ADD , the op was a request for an F3F model . You happend to reply to it .
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    pete beadle

    F3F Model Wanted

    OK Dave Money where your mouth is time...... Fancy any of these? I'll be selling them all, hopefully, sometime later this year......none of them are "current" but, as you haven't even tried F3F competition yet, any or all would be great for learning the ropes with........all three fully kitted out and RTF.......you haven't mentioned how much you want to spend yet. but the Aris would be £650.00ish, the Nyx £500.00ish and the Extreme £350.00ish.......and once we've got you sorted I'll be open to offers for the others......no rush on my part though........only problem at the moment would be the fact you are at Holmfirth, 180 miles north of me in London but even that's not insurmountable....... So, PM me if I'm stirring any interest in you........ Regards Pete BARCS 1702
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    pete beadle

    RIP F3J UK

    Hi Martyn "moulded aircraft are not especially good value for money - in the pure bang for buck category" .......I'm sorry Martyn but there speaks a man that doesn't fly moulded........believe me, it's got very little to do with cost..... I was introduced to moulded models by a good friend way, way back and my introduction was a Valenta Dogan F3B (pre-owned of course). When I first flew it I wondered what all the fuss was about.....unfortunately no-one told me I MUSTN'T fly it like a "woodie" and I didn't ask, so wasn't told When another flyer watched me lurching about on the slope he just couldn't stand it any more, so he chirped up and said something like "Are you flying like that deliberately?"....apparently, my face was a picture, and I seemed to be gritting my teeth and muttering all the time, clearly something was VERY much amiss...... "Get some down trim in" he said ......."no, lots of down trim would be better" .......thirty seconds later my face was wreathed in smiles, the ailerons were biting, the tracking was smoother, faster and more predictable and the "light-bulb moment" was complete......."Faster is better he said.....and he was right One other example, if I may, I was flying my dear old Proton 140 at the High Wycombe Open, I'd noticed some birds starting to circle well outside the perimeter of the field and started to "tippytoes" my Proton toward the birds, I was about half way there, when a Calypso Contest went past me at speed, showing off with the flattest glide angle I'd ever seen, reached the birds, scattered them, and started circling.......by the time I arrived the Contest was well into the thermal and couldn't be caught by my Proton.....then, about 10 seconds later, all the other mouldies in the slot were murdering me, in the same thermal, circling and climbing like lovesick angels........ I bought my Thermik "C" 4 or 5 weeks later.......and never regretted the outlay once.....flying mouldies, especially in competitions, is a step change in performance and enjoyment that you literally have to try one to believe it.......borrow one from a trusting mate, give it a go and be welcomed to the club.....it'll be worth it, I assure you....... Regards Pete BARCS1702
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    Richard Swindells

    COMP - Twywell Sat 29th April 2017

    In hindsight, with a large number of newcomers and a decent size entry list, I will reduce the number of rounds to 6 and fly 3 groups in each round (usually we just fly 2x groups in each round) This means that there will always be a surplus of timers, and pilots should get plenty of opportunity to observe. When you arrive at the field (aim to get there for about 9am), you are welcome to start practicing right away, you should be aware that there might be other pilots milling about randomly on the field and also the CD setting up the equipment and marking the perimeter of the "launch/landing" area. (although you are free to launch/land outside this area during practice times.) There is no pegboard and pilots on 35mHz are responsible for ensuring they are not clashing with anyone else's frequency. from about 9:30am, you will have someone come and ask you for the entry fee and to check you have your BMFA insurance (or covering letter) to hand. at 10am we will announce the pilots briefing, this is fairly informal. we will make sure that everyone knows who the new and experienced pilots are, so that you know who to ask for advice. (Most people who fly F3K seem to be called mike... if you are not sure of someone's name, calling them Mike has a fair chance of success) We will try our hardest to make sure newcomers are paired with more experience pilots in the first few rounds. Don't worry about rule infringements too much. Although we are strict applying penalties to the more experienced guys, we are not going to be spoiling any newcomers fun, however if you do find that you are starting to get nervous landing/launching in close proximity to other pilots, then try and find a quieter area of the launch/land box (I will make this extra big) There will be a break for lunch, where you are welcome to carry on flying or join in the chat. F3K is a little different to some other disciplines, in that there are not any "teams". this means that pilots tend to mix much more, so you will not feel side-lined at all. Don't feel worried if you mid-air with someone, or accidentally get in their way.. these things happen often in F3K. If there is any damage to models, people are more interested in peeking inside them or discussing how to repair than worrying about who to blame.
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    Paulupton

    Race MX For Sale

    Race MX in good used condition. Originally built (to a good standard) and owned by Mike Evans. Add reciever and fly Comes with wing/fuz bags and full ballast set I've been putting this off for a while but its time..... Very fast but also great handling model - have flown many under 35s runs with this model £800 More photos and information available on request by PM. Thanks Paul
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    Dynamic Soaring World Speed Record, 4-13-2017, Kinetic Transonic DP, Spencer, Bird Springs Pass, California, 519 MPH Stu.
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    Bear

    Dear Diary

    Dear diary, Been gliding 3 times in a week, Rather enjoyed myself, Might be getting interested again.
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    Phil.Taylor

    Project "X"

    It flies ! Finally got the Ceres-X into the air this afternoon, on my new local Devon slope - Dumpdon(*) Hill, near Honiton. Far from ideal conditions, wind very light & variable & well off-slope, but it had to go off, so off it went. Fun first flight getting the tail incidence right with a very rearward CofG. Extra few g of lead in the nose, and had a nice relaxing couple of flights with the camber flaps/ailerons down a bit to stay up - picking up lift off the windward end of the hill. A couple of lazy thermals came through to gain a bit of height, nose down and... its a Ceres! - got moving really nicely, with a nice scream. Tracks beautifully with that big X-tail fin - no sign of the old v-tail waggle. Really looking forward to wringing it out ballasted in good air. Hoping it will do as intended - a "go-to" cheap fast F3F hack that will get flown a lot. Will it get raced instead of the Pitbull or Radical? - maybe! - but at just £300 its certainly a lot of cheap fast fun. Phil. (* Dumpdon Hill - yep, great name ! - not the worlds greatest slope, but its just 15mins drive from my new home, and its a really pretty spot on a sunny afternoon)
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    Thanks for the kind words guys.👍 Great weekend of flying and socialising - my thanks to Simon, Jon, Mark T, John T and Rich for running a splendid event! Conditions were variable across both days, with Rich enjoying two great slots of air in the final rounds of day one, only to be dashed by cruel luck on day two. F3F can be a very unfair and harsh sport at times, and this was an extreme example of the less desirable (but inevitable) aspects of inland competition. Rough justice, but not enough to compromise a podium place! Simon "enjoyed" two days of mediocre stodge and still managed to take second place with some extremely accurately flying - not a second left on the course, and nothing more to be squeezed from the available air. I was in a different camp altogether, and gifted some very buoyant conditions in pretty much all of the rounds - which suited the Avatar perfectly. Like the FS3, this airframe seems to be very slippery at low wing loadings.....and just like the FS3, can rapidly become a run away train when the air switches on 😜 Overall though, there was some great flying on view - in particular Ewan's performance with the Pitbull was exceptional, and Graeme had a number of sweet flights with the FSL - but ultimately, it was all about the old cliche of flying the bad air well, and not becoming dispirited by a quirk of 30 second circumstance... When all's said and done, there's few locations on the F3F calendar that can provide a sunburnt face, soaking wet clothes, and a dripping 99 (mucus, rain, cream and raspberry sauce) - something for everyone 😉😎 Cheers, Greg
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    Hi All, A couple of days ago (weds afternoon) my youngest son Samuel, took a phone call from the manager of Lundy Island. As I was unable to take the call myself the Island's Manager introduced himself to Sam & explained the reason for his call. Apparently last weekend, a group of rock climbers were climbing on the steep cliff face next to the Old lighthouse, when one of the group came across a large, white, glider, deeply nestled in some very decayed & thick bracken / heather / scrub.The glider that they they found was my beloved Skorpion F3b, ( my contact details apparently still clearly readable inside the canopy area) which I lost due to iy it suffering an unrecoverable spiral of death whilst competing in an an aerobatics comp during the 2013 Lundy Slopefest. The model is apparently in remarkable good codition. Stu.
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    We were all so excited about your Skorpion, Stu, that we forgot to fly.
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    Nicholls

    RIP F3J UK

    No F3J competitions this year! Instead of selling the models and winches why not head down with them to Kent, the Garden of England, and enjoy 5 competitions this year organised by members of Kent Interclub April 23rd Glider 1, at SADMAC field Sittingbourne June 4th Glider 2, at Invicta Model Flyers Club field Sutton Valence July 9th Glider 3, at Tonbridge Radio Flyers field Tonbridge (edited 02042017) August 20th Glider 4, at Invicta Model Flyers Club field Sutton Valence October 8th Kent Cup at Tonbridge RF field Tonbridge (edited 02042017) These competitions are for both Kent Interclub members and non members for fee of £5. BARCS Multilaunch* rules apply (we have used the Multilaunch format since 2013) We would love to see you. More details will be put on BARCS Forums * The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated! 22nd April 2017 The entry closed last evening with 19 flyers going to take part in forecast winds of 6-9mph.
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    isoaritfirst

    RIP F3J UK

    There is little point trying to develop a class for low cost models. Who would travel typically 150 to 300 miles to fly an easy glider. Competition flying at anything other than club level is expensive. But if the event gives a focus to a weekend away with friends and a chance to learn from the best in the country, then it's good value. Competition flying is about a lot more than the competition. As to it being clique or elitist. Top pilots generally have a few very nice models, but don't think for a second that they snear at lesser models. They would have started in this sport with a sheet of balsa and some glue like everyone else. Some have been modellers all their lives and if you need help with a gentle lady or you're going through a bad Phase, they will have been there and will be only too happy to help. Just don't ask them while they are standing on the start line with a WC place hanging on a their next move. Or even just after, or for a day or two, if it didn't go well. Events do become like clubs. Regular competitors become friends and it may take a couple of events to just find how you fit into the group. But you will be very welcome.
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    EssexBOF

    RIP F3J UK

    I realized that electric would be the way forward some 10+ years ago, all the lugging about of winches broken tow lines etc plus getting older made it not a competition that was enjoyable any more. I was still working then at a school and ran a modelling group after school, that started with 12 students but sank to 2-3 after 3 months, so as to be not viable.I said then that the hobby as we knew it would not survive more than 20 years.( remember the A level student trying to cut 6mm rod with a tennon saw, whilst holding down on a bench, rolling back & forth) Started electric comps when they were not fashionable, in 2006-7, with E Soaring. This was interesting but was not that competitive until height limiters arrived in 2008-9. The rules as such were not great as to an even playing field, so this led me to start the Bartletts Comps which were IMHO a fairer test. These have now evolved into a very fair type of comp, not quite as serious as F5j but not that far removed. I like F5j as well as both comp allow ALL flyers of any age, to compete on an even keel, cost of models withstanding. The other thing is that electric has given a kick start for the build of models that can compete on equal terms
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    thechalster

    Stream NXT

    Ready to fly cg at 67mm auw 225g.
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    marillion

    Slope and DS videos

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    pete beadle

    F3F Model Wanted

    Hi all The three models mentioned in my reply to Dave Elam, the Aris, the Nyx and the Extreme, are the only ones I have, that meet his criteria .......... "sensibly priced, 2.8 - 3.0 metre, two-piece wing, V-tail, (although the Nyx is a X-tail, it meets all the other criteria) F3F model" I have others, that I don't want to sell just yet, that don't.......they will be advertised later this year The prices I am offering these models at, are all less than the prices I paid to buy them. The price of the Extreme would have been even lower if I hadn't had to replace two servos that failed soon after I bought the plane.........my prices are not based on condition, age or whether they are currently in vogue, they are based on what I consider to be a fair price for them.....if you disagree with my prices, please don't buy them Regards Pete BARCS1702
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    Greg Dakin

    For Sale: Baudis Salto

    Hello All, I've recently picked-up my SB10 and 1:3 scale Discus, which has (ahem) presented some challenges with storage space. Due to these limitations, I've very reluctantly chosen to sell my Salto. But this is no 'ordinary' Salto 😀 - the airframe was spec'd by Jiri to accomodate pretty much all slope conditions, including those at the 'extreme' end of the spectrum - it features a 2x carbon wing, consisting of GFK / 160g CFK / Herex / 160g CFK skins and carbon fuselage from the wing leading edge, backwards. AUW is around 6.5 - 7kg from memory, so it has plenty of grunt. In terms of servos, we have MKS HV 747 for flaps / ailerons and Futaba 3172SV for elevators. The model was factory built with gear installed, and finished in 'look at me' Kawasaki Green - very trendy for the slope extrovert 😃 Cost of the model from Baudis factory was 2554 Euros. The model is as new and totally unmarked, so I'm looking for £1700 (excluding rx). Let me know if anyone fancies the chance to take this one on - pics below. Cheers, Greg
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    Stefan Bertschi

    Let's give it a try

    So I finally managed to maiden the Maxa this Week-End. The whole maiden thing was even less eventfull than the built. The only problem was that due to the heavy duty motor/gear/speed-controler I had to tape 20g of lead onto the rudder-fin. With the (over the top) set up the Maxa climbs actually vertical which isn't to nice to look at so I try to climb a bit less steep :-). After shutting off the motor I first thought I lost connection as I'm quite used to more or less immediate reaction on aillerons but I had to learn that you can't compare an F3F plane with an F5J plane. So all worked quite ok (for just punching in some settings by eyesight). The only settings which are more or less meassured where the Spoiler deflections recommended by Vladimir. Speed (no deflection) and cruise (ca. 2 degrees down) work very well. For my (current) liking the thermal deflection is a bit too much...time will tell. The flights I've done until now (some in light drizzle, some in perfect conditions and some in +/- 6 m/Sek wind) were very nice. I think that - without any thermal influence (also no bad one) and an 1800 m/Ah battery you can fly 1h plus without any problems. The bad thing is that I'm constantly worried about damaging the Maxa. Not while flying but while transport as everything is so light and fragile.... So all in all I'm very happy with my investment. If I manage to get some flying pictures or a movie I will add them here.
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    Greg Dakin

    For Sale: Baudis Salto

    A liitle more info here: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1092776-Baudis-4M-Salto-Exclusive-Update ......and a pretty pic from ST.
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    Blast I was hoping to come in the Lamborghini!
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    Richard Swindells

    Vinco F5J

    Model arrived via TNT, due for delivery on tuesday, but I took a chance that the depot would be open for collections today and managed to pick it up early. Box was in good condition, parts were well packed. Considering I've not bought or flown anything other than DLG's for about 10 years, and the largest model I've owned back then was 3.2M, the Vinco feels huge! I'm sure regular "J" pilots will feel used to this kind of size. The level of prefabrication is impressive. All linkages, pushrods come pre fabricated. pull-pull lines are pre-installed, wiring looms supplied & cut to size. Bulkhead precut to size, servo trays etc etc. I absolutely love the fit&finish of the tail surfaces, with the rudder a perfect slot onto the joiner and the re-installed pushrod a perfect fit as you slide the fin/rudder into place. The elevator linkage is similarly well thought out, with a carbon rod glued into the elevator, which slides into an aluminium housing when you attach it to the fuselage. For any experienced builder, there should be less than a days work to put the model together. Hopefully mine should be done within a week with a couple of hours each evening.
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    Bear

    This Looks very Worrying

    IMHO the BMFA are actually making the correct noises for once in trying to include "drone" pilots within the organisation. Those who have sought to demonise drone users have not helped one bit. Instead of trying to separate ourselves we should of involved and tried to educate those drone users who just wished to enjoy their hobby. The facts are there are some mainstream model flyers who have been just as stupid as drone pilots, the guy who flew across the Severn Bridge and through a subway springs to mind. He was educated out of stupid stunts by reasoned debate and became one of the countries best flyers. Whatever new legislation comes about we will need to work with drone pilots to ensure even more draconian measures are not taken. We are where we are, and we need some calm and sensible leadership to lead us forward(so not the likes of me!).
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    isoaritfirst

    La Muela 2017

    Weather is stunning. 26 c and hardly a cloud. Also very little puff, but great to be here. Flown the alliaj and the fs3 yesterday and today. Been a couple of stunning bike rides up through the adjoining valleys. Having a great time. Forecast for the comp doesn't look inspiring. But La Muela is so much more than a F3f comp. Which is just as well. 😀
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    simon_t

    F5J rules 2017

    If terrain gets between you and the model and you are on 2.4, you are almost certainly going to be going into failsafe at even quite modest distances. Was the intention of the "staying upwind of the circle" rule to keep pilots behind the spot (centre of circle) or the whole circle? It makes no sense to me to keep the pilots so far away from the precision landing point - . It is hardly going to help our pilots if they then fly to different rules at Eurotours/World Cup/World Champs! Is the pilot required to stay behind his circle until after the slot is finished? i.e. can he pick up his model or not if he lands early? It says 'at all times' which has no bounds! I sat on the SFTC for a few years, but I am pretty baffled by some things coming out from them these days, which appear at times to be ill-informed as to the views of the pilots they are representing. This is especially surprising as it is easier than ever to solicit input and views via the various media systems available to us these days. It is probably not popular opinion, but I believe we should use FAI rules unless absolutely necessary to change them. Simon
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    Well done Greg, a well desrerved win following a dominant winter league! It's good to see/watch. Also well done to Simon & Rich in their close faught battle on the podium. For me it was a slightly depressing slide after a decent start, I'm saving my luck up for another weekend A very enjoyable weekend, thanks to our hosts the NYMRSC.
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    Very enjoyable weekend and thanks to John, Simon, Mark and John T for organising and running the comp. I had a thought that Rich could have been the 'man' for the comp on his own slopes and as it turned out he did go very well, just being pipped by Simon who as always managed tofind the best in the variable condition. But as for Greg........ that 39..... 'ride em cowboy!!!' Great stuff. I need to personally thank George for lending me some great air in a couple of rounds and Pete for his awsome aeros in the last round that bumped me up to my best placing in a big comp. Was well jammy so apologies to all..... Looking forward to the Euro tour now 😊 Cheers Ewan
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    Whitmore

    2m Competitions in the UK?

    Just about done... 175g before noseweight, which I expect to be about 25g.
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    you got us gooooood.
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    Thank you all so very much for your helpful suggestions, and offers of help in an effort to re unite me with my beloved Skorpion. I have one final pic that I wish to share with you all today regarding this thread Stu, lol
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    Hope you guys have a great comp and a good battle on the slope!
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    Wishing everyone a very enjoyable & successful Champ of Champs comp, I look forward to lots of comp updates, pics, & vid please. Good luck to you all. Stu.
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    ChuckGlider

    RIP F3J UK

    Living in S Wales, I am primarily a slope soarer, and why wouldn't I with some of the best slopes in the UK within an hours drive from my door step. But on those odd occasions when the wind drops and it isn't worth me loading the car with slope models, I pack a balsa built F5J model and a balsa 2m electric powered model into the car. Finding a local field long enough to stretch out a hi-start has been almost an impossibility, which is why I turned to electric power. The local club I belonged to, weren't particularly happy with me stretching my 90m hi-start across the field, and I wasn't particularly happy with being buzzed by IC 3D models, and 3D heli's flying directly over the landing strip, hence why I am no longer a club member. Now I'm not particularly competitive, preferring the fun aspect of flying, but from what I've seen, and heard, the competition scene is very clicky, (which puts me off straight away), the models are wayyyyyy above my modelling budget level, and I feel that competition in the UK will never survive unless they can attract the youngsters into the sport. I can't afford £1k for a model, let alone £2k, and TBH, I wouldn't spend that much on a model anyway, but how can a youngster afford that? It seems to be only the more, mature people who have grown up families and more disposable income that can afford the more expensive models. At the age of 57 I have only just purchased my first fully moulded model, and that is not likely to happen again for a good few years. So maybe the answer is for fathers to instill some interest in our hobby to their kids, get them to build balsa models that are affordable, and a new tow line type competition may evolve in the future with back to basics models. You only have to look at the balsa models available in the USA, and a thriving competition scene.
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    It was good to get out and fly in a comp yesterday, even allowing for the bitter wind that seemed to find it way under my coat most of the day On a normal day, would not have gone flying for fun, but that is what drives comp flyers on Nice to meet up with old faces, from the Suffolk side once again Russell, Tony etc who are not in the best of health. Well done Peter Ley & Paul Wainwright for taking up the baton to run comps at Little Bentley.
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    groom_k

    Aresti 108 any time soon

    Thanks Greg, your kind words are greatly appreciated. It was great to spend some time on the slope, catch up with friends and finally fly one of the preproduction models. I'm really pleased with the strength, weight and finish of the the models I've received so far. It's looking like the single carbon version will have an AUW of just over 2200g and the double carbon an AUW of just over 2000g. There is a ballast tube in the wing which holds up to 540g of brass. There are a few very minor changes that will be made to the fuselage layup for the production models. I'm hoping that it won't be long before we're able to start taking orders. BR Keith
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    Heaviest model I've ever launched! Made more difficult by the rota but went away easily.
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    Topics merged. By the way mentions work on the forum if you type the @ no space member name it will work like so and also the member receives a notification. @Phil.Taylor