Skip Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 SO, it was blowing a hooley today. NW over the top of Pen Y Fan with supposedly decent breaks in the rain (certainly was so in Bridgend).Did anyone with a record-breaking type DS plane head up to try it out?Would have been mind-blowingly scary up there today. P.S. I really can't be bothered with that FMCR place. So not so much double-posting from me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 It really dilutes efforts too when people double post and start identical threads, etc. Would be nice if we all stayed in one place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster-X Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Struggling to get the breaks in the weather up Little Ingle, wind is perfect, the clag and rain not so. Also, my partner in crime has had an early DS Epiphany so I've got no radar man nor any one to video, still loving my DS when I get chance. Will hopefully make my annual visit to the Skirrid some time this year, maybe see you there Skip, did you ever get that D60 or did you get a new TX? CheersTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hey Tom, I got neither mate I got a new son tho By Epiphany, do you mean Paul no longer does DS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulupton Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Its more of a case of not having anything left to DS..... DSing was an expensive learning curve for me. I will def gun for Tom in the summer months but when the weather is as it is I would rather be practising F3F on the one opportunity a week I get to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Aahh, that kind of Epiphany. I've got a Gulp DS plank that is nearly ready to go for DS, but that is all. I wouldn't be willing to risk any other planes as they aren't sturdy enough. I have to try very hard to block F3F thoughts from my head at the moment cause I miss it (and the blokes) a lot.One day. Adam wrote: DS is Dead. I think he might be right for the UK from a record chasing point-of-view. I can't believe there has been no serious attempts in all this wind. I know it has been pretty wet too, but it seems the initial excitement has waned somewhat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 For most of us Ds record chasing is far to difficult.The hills we have are remote the weather is fickle/severe and the models needed are too specialised and expensive. D80 may be a great ds model but don't quite cut it when record chasing. Kinetics only want to fly when records are due to fall. Upshot is that lots of money little opportunity, not enough practice. But having said all that, Ds flying is still good fun, just ditch the gun and enjoy the cheaper end of Dswith D60's, Opus's, JW, Reapers, Vectors etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulupton Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Don't believe ditching the gun is the right way to go...... You don't have to be chasing records to get a great sense of achievement from going xmph faster than last time. Personal goals are what drives people to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster-X Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Plus Paul has the Hill record for Little Ingle and I want to beat him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Richardson Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 When I wrote "DS is dead" I was just having a laugh. But to be honest we are at speeds now where chasing the records has become very expensive for me. I'm pretty sure that the record would go up 40mph or so at the skirrid today. But for me to go would mean a day of work (loss of money) £60 fuel bill to get there and back. And the high possibility of the wind being slightly off the hill. Then there's the chance of loosing £2.5k worth of model in a rotor. Oh and it's cold! Gone have the days of 200mph being fast, 2012 is the year of DS aeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I don't disagree with that Paul, personal growth is everything.It drives people right up until they get the right day and smash their PB, then it all becomes a bit mundane when every time they are faced with days where slower speeds are all that are available to them, and the days out become a disappointment.I know quite a few guys who now don't even bother getting their models out unless they think its record breaking conditions, and others that won't fly if there is no gun available. Some have reached the limits of their model type and now need massive investment to reach the next level.But with that next level comes a lot less flying as you end up chasing the perfect day and flying less and less.. while the skills needed get greater. So nervousness creeps in with the rusty thumbs, and the whole experience becomes less rewarding.The more you chase the big winds the more often you won't fly, as conditions become too severe very quickly on high mountains. I amongst others lost almost a complete winter of flying as I spent it walking up and down hills... Personally I have reached my plateau and now take a more relaxed view on Ds and just fly and enjoy it when I can. Occasional gunning keeps an idea in my head of what speeds are being flown, but I try not to get too wrapped up in it.I don't have sufficient time or drive to chase any longer, and I suspect I am not alone. That doesn't mean Dsing isn't fun, its just that it is easy to take the fun out of it if you are driven hard just by the speed. It looks a lot easier for some of the Americans where they seem able to fly consistent conditions for many months of the year, making growth a much more attainable goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip Posted January 5, 2012 Author Share Posted January 5, 2012 Totally understand how and why. Maybe I have been couped up in the house for too long. I just couldn't believe no-one is chasing speeds at the mo. Last time I heard anything about DS was when everyone was complaining of no wind.Anyway, looking forward to having some DS fun when everything lines up for me.Keeping it fun when it is competitive and often disappointing would be hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrewmawr Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 "DS fun"..Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Skip said: Totally understand how and why. Maybe I have been couped up in the house for too long. I just couldn't believe no-one is chasing speeds at the mo. Last time I heard anything about DS was when everyone was complaining of no wind.Anyway, looking forward to having some DS fun when everything lines up for me.Keeping it fun when it is competitive and often disappointing would be hard. This reminds me of your earlier post somewhere that competition is an almost spiritual thing for you, and the thought I'd given to that since. I have competed in all sorts competitions over the years (photography, windsurfing, etc.), but to me the overriding issue is that whatever it is, it's a hobby / passtime / reactional activity at the end of the day. The day that it occurs to me that I'm not having fun anymore, I stop competing immediately. I remember the day when I was windsurfing a lot, my girlfriend at the time (who was also competing in the womens' leagues) said "where are we going to go training today?" The fact that "sailing" had turned into "training" was a wake up call to me, and that's when I went back to just sailing and surfing waves only, for my own, selfish enjoyment ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster-X Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I go out every Wednesday night MTBing for 'Fun' and an excuse to go to the pub afterwards with my mates, last night I pedaled up streams, across 'aquaducts' and was propelled by 65 mph winds around Coniston, everyone thought I was mad for going, and I had my doubts, but I'm glad I braved the horrific weather as it was 'Fun' and I enjoyed it immensely. I was at the back of the pack trying to keep up with the front runners, out of my comfort zone, but then again if I'm not pushing myself to do better I'm not having 'Fun' depends on your definition I guess. Back to DS, I enjoy the challenge of hiking up a hill for an hour not knowing if I'll get to fly, if I do bonus! DSing reminds me of when I first learned to fly as I still get that scary butterfly's in the stomach feeling and I always come away feeling I have improved in some way. I do not look forward to the day when it looses the magic as it must have done for others, but I'm enjoying it while I still can Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodstock Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I also tend to view competing a little like waging war, where the three timeless cardinal rules for success are: 1. Know your self.2. Know your enemy.3. Engage in battle only if and when you know you can win. It's especially that last one that I adhere to faithfully ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster-X Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Well they are still keen in Switzerland, 394mph new European Record with a K100!!!! Congratulations to Patrick Hausler! Commiserations as his K100 did not survive. Link to RCG Edited January 5, 2012 by Rooster-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slosloper Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If DS is to your liking, do it; if not, don't.It's called choice.I fail to understand the fuss. And some impressive speeds were recorded today by pilots who, clearly, enjoyed themselves. Carpe diem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isoaritfirst Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No one is suggesting doing anything else.It's just a discussion about why it seems fewer people in the UK are finding chasing records is not for them. D'sing in 90mph winds in mountains and snow cover, those Swiss guys deserve to break records. Which was sort of the point, it gets harder, more extreme, more expensive etc etc.. Spend a day up on Pen- y - fan in 90 mph and snow and you may not survive to tell the tale.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Richardson Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Slosloper said: If DS is to your liking, do it; if not, don't.It's called choice.I fail to understand the fuss. And some impressive speeds were recorded today by pilots who, clearly, enjoyed themselves. Carpe diem.Where was the fuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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